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Avatar Sheet Music - The Complete Score (5th Version)
« on: January 01, 2011, 03:12:57 am »
 


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Sheets in PDF, A-level merge, version 5
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Version 5 is completed.. :)



For those haven't seen anything about this,

This is a project started on Feburary 18 2010, to arrange most of the soundtracks for piano solo.
To match the original tracks more closer, the arranging standard is high, it is not for beginners.

Arranged from Original Soundtrack (OST), Deluxe Edition (DX), Complete Score (CS) and Definitive Edition (DE),
or some of them are the cuts found in the 3 movie versions (OR, SE, CE) or deleted scenes (DS).

There are not many threads in this board. No necroposting problem at least in this thread. Don't hesitate to reply, I'm waiting for you all the time. ::)
If you want to say something privately, send me a message. If you are guest, feel free to contact me at ddaeveips_henry@hotmail.com






Great news on August 29, 2011:

I must give a big thanks to our admin Payoang. :)
Today I'm allowed to access the LearnNa'vi server and host some files there.
This will be much more convenient for us to browse the Avatar sheet music documents.
I've uploaded graphics and PDFs of the sheets of the several versions there,
also MIDI files, MP3 files (tracks 13, 28, 36, 41) and Sibelius source files (with older versions, even some incomplete scores inside each file).

You may also take it a look. Here's the main page of the document collection of this project. ;)





Here are the sheets of VER. 5 (MIDIs attached inside)

Sorry for a delay.
During 2012, I'm attracted to some games I played in the past. This is mainly caused by a reason: boredom.
Boredom for the work - it's too boring and confusing to proofread. The most difficult thing is to spot out your own errors. Sometimes you may not even see an error as an error, it's very natural - anything did by you make sense to yourself. Boredom for loneliness - I don't repeat this. It's very sad to look at so many popular literary projects around while there's only a handful viewers here. And please do leave something here. I don't mind if this becomes a chat room, just mind a locked thread. This is open!

I recently took the Grade 8 Theory exam, many things learned from it. And now, I located tons of errors in my arrangement, mainly for the parallel 5ths and 8ves.
This is the main reason to push me back and complete the task. In other words, now I see the errors, the worthiness of this task.

I can't stop to use the powerful "layer" feature of Acrobat, by this I added the graphics to the empty spaces of the sheets, the task which is supposed to be done in version 6.
Now you see why it's OK for me to leave blanks throughout the score while I deliberately keep the format constant in the whole book.

Quote from: Gallahaut (a YouTube comment)
... By the way I love how you take special care to the formatting and individual lines. (Probably something I don't have the patience for!) ...

Fifth version: Proofreading and Graphics.
Spotted error places are modified. The format in the final output is also roughly shown here, by adding the planned graphics.
Some of them are come from online fan arts. All the sources are listed in page 268, but please note that

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It is apologized that all the graphics are used  without written permission from the authors or owners. This sheet music project is not to be realized under this state. The artwork removal right is always reserved by their corresponding authors or owners.
Please contact me for removal seeking or information providing for the unknown arts.


Key: (for listeners got OST only)
01. group 1 - 100% OST (fully the same, or the whole phase doesn't include anything not OST);
01. group 2 - nearly 100% OST, with some edits or additions (mixture include a full OST track);
01. group 3 - included OST contents (mixture of partly OST and partly others)





- So, I've started a topic for discussing errors of the Na'vi titles with the other part of the community. But since it's not yet finished and it would be confusing to change the titles in this list right now as the titles of the PDF documents are fixed, all corrections made in the discussion will be included only starting from Version 5.
- View the sources of arrangements.
- Duration is listed with its MIDI playtime correct to the nearest 10 seconds and the standard score (longer or shorter than the mean by how many times of the standard deviation) of this value.
- Difficulty is listed with numbers in a scale ranged -2 to +3, where -2, -1 and 0 represents the difficulty similar to the exam pieces in Grade 1, 5, 8 respectively, the other pieces higher than Grade 8 level are estimated in a 0 to 3 scale. This is not estimated by a strict system, might have a 0.5 variance from actual.
- Rate is listed with percentages ranged 0% to 100%. This is a subjective comment set by me, used to indicate whether the arrangement sounds pleasant and close to the original source. Values under 50% represent a negative, above 75% represent higher positive comment.

First Part ...


01.
I.   Fko Hahaw slä Unil ke si...   ("You Don't Dream in Cryo...")      6' 10" (+112%) / +1.6 / 64%      [ OST ]


II.   Tseykìri Uniltìrantokxä Kifkeyit Fpxäkìm   (Jake Enters His Avatar World)      13' 40"
02.   1.   Tìplltxe   (Quaritch's Speech)      1' 50" (-93%) / -0.2 / 74%      [ CS-D1 ]
03.   2.   Uniltìrantokxä Kifkeyit Fpxäkìm   (Jake Enters His Avatar World)      5' 20" (+72%) / +1.6 / 72%      [ OST ]
04.   3.   'Awvea Tìsop   (The First Journey)      1' 20" (-117%) / +0.9 / 79%      [ CS-D1 ]
05.   4.   Fewi Palulukan   (Thanator Chase)      5' 10" (+49%) / +2.2 / 75%      [ CS-D1 ]


III.   Na'rìngä Ayatokirina'   (Pure Spirits of the Forest)      14' 40"
06.   1.   'Eveyä Tìhawnu   (Viperwolves Attack)      4' 10" (+17%) / +2.3 / 57%      [ CS-D1 ]
07.   2.   Ultxa si hu Na'vi   (Jake Meets the Na'vi)      10' 30" (+317%) / +2.4 / 68%      [ DE-D1 ]

08.
IV.   Tanhì Txonmì   (The Bioluminescence of the Night)      4' 20" (+25%) / +1.8 / 77%      [ OST, CS-D1 ]


V. I   Sleru Na'viyä Hapxì, Sleru 'Awpo hu Neytiri   (Becoming One of "The People", Becoming One with Neytiri)      16' 10" / 23' 40"
09.   1.   Tsray – Tseykä 'Awvea Tìmakto   (The Village – Jake's First Ride)      2' 0" (-86%) / +0.4 / 76%      [ CS-D1 ]
10.   2.   AyRam aLusìng   (The Floating Mountains)      2' 50" (-46%) / +0.8 / 79%      [ CS-D1 ]
11.   3.   Mipa Tì'awm   (The New Camp)      1' 0" (-133%) / -0.7 / 77%      [ CS-D1 ]
12.   4.   Ikranit Ngeyä Ftxivey krr a lu Nga Alaksi   ("Choose Your Ikran When You are Ready")      2' 0" (-86%) / +1.7 / 79%      [ CS-D1 ]
13.   5.   Sleru Na'viyä Hapxì   (Becoming One of "The People")      5' 50" (+96%) / +1.9 / 82%      [ CS-D1, DS ]
14.   6.   Txonä Opin   (Night Iridescence)      2' 30" (-62%) / +1.4 / 72%      [ CS-D1, SE ]

15.
VI.   Tsyìl Iknimayat, alu Tawne a Fya'o   (Climbing Up "Iknimaya – The Path to Heaven")      5' 50" (+96%) / +2.1 / 73%      [ OST, DE-D2 ]


VII.   Tseykä 'Awvea Sätswayon   (Jake's First Flight)      14' 40"
16.   1.   Po Fmìyi Ngati Tspivang   ("He will Try to Kill You")      3' 20" (-22%) / +1.8 / 48%      [ CS-D2 ]
17.   2.   Tseykä ’Awvea Sätswayon   (Jake's First Flight)      4' 40" (+41%) / +1.9 / 78%      [ OST ]
18.   3.   Talioangä Tìtaron   (The Hunt)      1' 20" (-117%) / +1.1 / 76%      [ DE-D2 ]
19.   4.   Toruk   (Great Leonopteryx)      3' 20" (-22%) / +1.0 / 58%      [ CS-D2 ]
20.   5.   Tupe Oe Lu?   ("Who Am I?")      2' 0" (-86%) / -0.5 / 80%      [ DE-D3 ]


V. II   Sleru Na'viyä Hapxì, Sleru 'Awpo hu Neytiri   (Becoming One of "The People", Becoming One with Neytiri)      7' 30" / 23' 40"
21.   7.   Oey Lì'u, Fkor Pänu   (A Man of My Word)      1' 0" (-133%) / -0.6 / 80%      [ CS-D2 ]
22.   8.   Muntxa Frakrr   (Mated for Life)      6' 30" (+128%) / +1.9 / 70%      [ OST, CS-D2 ]




Second Part ...


VIII.   Nawnekxa Kllte   (Scorched Earth)      13' 40"
23.   1.   Zup Aymokri   (The Voices Fall)      6' 30" (+128%) / +2.4 / 75%      [ OST, DE-D3 ]
24.   2.   Fpeio   (The Challenge)      3' 30" (-14%) / +1.5 / 65%      [ OR ]
25.   3.   Munge Mesngelit Mìso   (Quaritch Pulls the Plug)      3' 40" (-7%) / +1.3 / 76%      [ DE-D3 ]


IX.   Krritsì   (Quaritch)      8' 10"
26.   1.   Kea Lun   (No Reasoning)      3' 10" (-30%) / -0.3 / 77%      [ DE-D3 ]
27.   2.   Sawtute Zera'u   (The Sky People are Coming)      5' 0" (+57%) / +2.1 / 73%      [ OST ]

28.
X.   Tìska'a Kelutralä   (The Destruction of Hometree)      7' 10" (+159%) / +2.3 / 81%      [ OST, CS-D2 ]


XI.   Tstu Seyki Kireysìt   (Shutting Down Grace's Lab)      16' 0"
29.   1.   Frakrr zene Txen slivu   ("You Always have to Wake up")      3' 0" (-38%) / +1.7 / 67%      [ CS-D2 ]
30.   2.   Kavuk sängi Sawtuter!   (Escape from Hell's Gate)      3' 30" (-14%) / +2.0 / 77%      [ CS-D2, DE-D3 ]
31.   3.   Srung Kireysìfpi   (Help for Grace)      2' 20" (-70%) / +1.0 / 72%      [ CS-D2 ]
32.   4.   Tsaheyl seri Torukhu   (Bonding with Leonopteryx)      1' 30" (-109%) / -0.3 / 72%      [ CS-D2 ]
33.   5.   Way Utralä   (Funeral Chant)      30" (-157%) / -1.3 / 70%      [ CS-D2 ]
34.   6.   Toruk Makto?   (Prayers for Grace)      3' 0" (-38%) / +0.1 / 75%      [ CS-D2 ]
35.   7.   'Eylan Terkup   (Grace's Death)      2' 10" (-78%) / +1.5 / 68%      [ DX, CS-D2 ]

36.
XII.   Fraolo'it Sterarsìm Tsamfpi   (Gathering All the Na'vi Clans for Battle)      5' 20" (+72%) / +1.7 / 80%      [ OST, CS-D2 ]


XIII.   Tsam   (War)      33' 50"
37.   1.   Sawtute Alaksi   (Quaritch Takes Over)      1' 20" (-117%) / +0.8 / 68%      [ CS-D2 ]
38.   2.   Sampongu Alaksi   (Battle Plan)      1' 20" (-117%) / +0.3 / 66%      [ CS-D3 ]
39.   3.   Tireapängkxo hu Eywa   (Jake Prays to Eywa)      1' 50" (-93%) / -0.1 / 70%      [ CS-D3 ]
40.   4.   Tsam   (War)      3' 40" (-7%) / +1.8 / 81%      [ OST ]
41.   5.   'Eko Ko Ma Samsiyu!   ("Let's Attack, Warriors!")      7' 40" (+183%) / +3 / 84%      [ OST, CS-D3 ]
42.   6.   Var Tsam   (The Battle Continues)      3' 0" (-38%) / +1.7 / 79%      [ CS-D3 ]
43.   7.   Ngat Eywal Stolawm!   (Quaritch Down)      6' 40" (+136%) / +3 / 80%      [ CS-D3 ]
44.   8.   Wem Kxitxvay   (Fight to the Death)      5' 0" (+57%) / +2.4 / 72%      [ CS-D3 ]
45.   9.   Sngä'ikrr Amip   (A New Beginning)      3' 20" (-22%) / +1.1 / 78%      [ CS-D3 ]




Third Part ...

46.
XIV.   Oel Ngati Kameie   (I See You - Full, Vocal part - translated Na'vi / English, Piano Part)      4' 20" (+25%) / +1.7 / 70%      [ OST ]


XV.   Nemfa Na'viyä Kifkey   (Into the Na'vi World)      11' 30" / 90% / 77%
47.   1.   Piaka Menari   (Eyes Open)      4' 20" (25%) / +2.2 / 72%      [ OR, DE-D5 ]
48.   2.   Mipa Tìrey   (New Life)      7' 10" (+159%) / +2.0 / 74%      [ SE, OST*, CS-D2, DE-D5 ]
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 03:13:35 am »
Planned procedure would be

Version 0 - arranging and making hand-written drafts   (Feb 18 - Aug 18, 10)
Version 1 - inputing basic notes   (Sep 1 - Dec 31, 10)
Version 2 - adding slurs   (Jan 1-27, 11)
Version 3 - adding dynamics and expressions   (Feb 14 - Mar 13, 11)
Version 4a - adding fingerings   (Apr 9, 11 - Jan 1, 12)
Version 5 - proofreading and final adjustment   (Jan 5 - Dec 16, 12)
Version 6 - full sheet with book designs and footnotes   (??, 13)   << current progress
Version 7 - printed product with appendices   (??, 13)

Version 4b - re-arranged sheet with exact dynamics for MIDI exporting   (??)
Version 8 - full book with extra dynamic reference (v. 4b)   (??)
Version 9 - together with a string quintet or sextet arrangement    (not confirmed to be done)







Totally divided into 48 phases. At first there are 44 only and are equally 22:22 in two books,
soon later I found that there is no space to put phases 23-44 (24-48 currently) into a 120-page book, so I cut the end credits to another new book...
recently 3 more tracks were arranged to make this even complete, and after split apart the last track the "perfect number" is now displayed before you.






Videos made for track 12-14, 26-28, 36, 40-41 and 43 25, 26, 35 and 40, you may check them out: (much better quality than MIDI..)























Edits

2011
Jan 4 - Graphics (v.1) download pack added.
Jan 10 - Track 38 (v.1) pack added.
Jan 11 - PDFs (v.2) of Book 1 added.
Jan 24 - PDFs (v.2) of Book 2 added.
Jan 27 - PDFs (v.2) of Book 3 and full pack (v.2) added, renew OP to v.2.
Jan 31 - MIDIs (v.1-2) added.
Feb 20 - Sources added to the list.
Feb 26 - PDFs (v.3) of Book 1 added. Procedure dates edited.
Mar 13 - PDFs (v.3) added, renew OP to v.3.
Apr 24 - Procedure dates edited.
May 21 - Video (v.3) links added.
Aug 15 - Procedure dates edited. (Just a second for the fingerings? Now I realize it's not enough definitely!)
Aug 29 - Release of the 48-tracks version, and topic page updated. Linked to the server of this site, and Sibelius source files added.
Nov 2 - Date of completion of v.4a is more clear. New schedule is planned (not a good news.) Starting to release PDFs day by day.
Nov 10 - Confusing information edited..
Dec 6 - All v.1 graphics are cut down. Attached I See You (track 46) - vocal part in translated Na'vi. Procedure dates edited.
Dec 11 - A more recent in-progress v.4a (Dec 8.) is provided.
Dec 14 - Bar-graph videos included in this page.
Dec 24 - A bit of the schedule edited, seems impossible to input everything in one day (by Christmas). Preview v.4a updated to the one of Dec 20.

2012
Jan 1 - PDFs, MIDIs and Sibelius source files (v.4a) added, renew OP to v.4a.
Jan 3 - Update of A-level merge PDF format notified, please consider it's bookmark, link and MIDI attach feature.
Jan 15 - Date of start of v.5 is confirmed. Some edits to the schedule. Note for Na'vi track titles checking included.
Jan 16 - Attached Stage 1 Preview of v.5. Videos are moved to #1 since the lack of space.
Feb 10 - The banner.
Dec 13 - Na'vi titles updated in respect to all the amendments discussed; partly changed the content of this page to (final) v.5.
Dec 15 - New system of difficulty rating introduced.
Dec 16 - Text edit of this page for v.5.

2013
Feb 7 - Some words describing the new difficulty estimation system are changed.






The following items are the sheets of VER. 1

They are from the old version, not the same as PDFs above, but you may check details and source of the arrangements here.
Kept in spoilers, you will stuck if you load 220 pics at once. :P

First version: slurs, expressions and fingerings are missed.
Working in progress.



All Version 1 Graphics were cut down on December 6, 2011, since they greatly slow down the loading speed of this title page.

The links might be listed later, ... or never until everything is done and will be shown in appendix.







Book I

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 03:14:01 am »










« Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 10:47:33 am by Ikran Ahiyìk »
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 03:14:38 am »
Book II

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 03:14:54 am »










Book III

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 07:06:38 am »
Wow, you've been busy. Looks like you've done an awesome job here :D karma for that! I'll try some of these as soon as I can. Hmm.. you're gonna make me pick up my piano playing again...

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 07:53:48 am »
Irayo..! :)

But it is not finish yet..



Look at the "rate __%" while chosing anything to try.. the one with low value is very strange :P
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 11:37:55 am »
Awesome!  If anyone does play these, can they try to make a recording so we can listen?

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 11:42:00 pm »
Thanks. :)

Not so possible to make live recording, it takes time to practice..
I can make some computer playings, like the way Seabass did, but it takes a few months more...
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2011, 10:43:16 am »
Oh ok, that's cool, I totally understand!

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 11:05:14 am »
Txantsan! Now I need some practice. I like the percentages, quite helpful. Did you improve some of the older tracks you've already posted? Just asking because I already downloaded them.

Ma Aykerusey, I'll try my best. But this is challening and nothing for me right now. ;)
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—pa'liyä maktoyu.

Actually, that would be an interesting thought; if gay Na'vi would actually mate, or just run off in the bushes for a little bum-fun!

Kxa (Open your mouth and say "Kxa") :P

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 11:37:06 am »
Awesome ma Ikran! ;D  I should try this on my organ. ;D


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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 08:56:46 pm »
Only the bar numbers are changed, see the edits in phase 8, 13 and 14.

Would you like to get the denser graphs? Now it's 300 ppi. It's still ok to change it up to 600.
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 11:47:02 am »
Hey I can't see the pics to print them from my school computer, is there any way you could post the files for them all so i can open them in an actual prgram?

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 11:52:30 pm »
OK a download pack added. Can that computer download something 30MB...?
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 11:54:15 pm »
irayo!

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2011, 07:38:50 am »
This is great! I wish I could play the piano to try them out :o

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 10:33:05 am »
After saving everything and having a short look on every page, I came up with this. I hope I didn't criticize too much and it doesn't sound like I don't like it. I like your work, but it's not perfect and there's some stuff that annoys me. Maybe it's me and my ignorance. I hope you understand what I mean.

Well, many pieces are good. Not perfect, still they're well-made and every detail seems to be added. And that's where I need to tell you that maybe less would've been more. I own the official transcription already, so I am able to compare at least some tracks. I know you transcribed the full score, yes. I said SOME parts. I'm not talking about a single note. See, look at Bio(luminescence Of...) for example. Page 1, what is that? Is that from the 5CD soundtrack? Page 2, is it just me or is the whole stuff a bit slower and faster? You changed the time signature, I see, but the notes are still not held long enough. Then the flute part, sometimes indicated as these tiny notes, sometimes not. Especially the solo (somewhere round 1203) isn't valued, while you use so many musical ornaments in your transcription, here there's only one, the appoggiatura (is it actually?) at 1205. Page 3 is...well...unplayable. I don't know what you did there, the tinkling sounds are nice, but do you have to add those and do the melody part and the accompaniment and then the other tinkling sound as well? You lose track so easily, it looks awful and I can't believe anyone could get the timing right.

I stop being fussy now and concentrate more on the bigger issues. And the timing thing leads me to one question: Did you ever try to play what you created? Viperwolves, Becoming One, Gathering All The Na'vi Clans...these tracks look like even a master would have problems with them. And Becoming One seems to be a rather easy track when I look at the official transcription, of course it is not that accurate as yours, but yours looks wrong because of that. Sixty-fourth notes? Are you honest? And sextoles at the same time?

Another thing is that I tend to believe that you wanted to make it look difficult. No, I don't want to impute something to you, but there are these time signatures. Alla breve when I think it's completly unnecessary; 4/2, 12/8, 9/4, 1/2 or 4/8 are all uncommon and the tempo is often given in half notes or something. Why do you put I See You into a 4/8? That's a pop song, you can write it in 4/4 without any problems, anyone can read it then and you don't need to use quintolets anymore. And when we talk about I See You, look at 5398 and the following measures, that half note/sixteenth note thing is so confusing, can't you put it all into bass clef? Same at the Thanator Chase for example.

Last point: As much as I try, sometimes the transcription just doesn't match to the soundtrack, I don't see the connection, i.e. I can't follow the sheet. Look at Grace's Lab, there are these twelve things I can't even name and I don't hear any of those.

Suggestions: Mark the canto, it's easier that way. Put together what needs to be put together, don't do it when you need to lose track because of that. Time signatures could be easier, I don't know if you can do that by one click though. And I'd like to know again when you wrote smaller notes and why.

No offense, this is just what I think. I hope it's helpful.
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2011, 11:37:43 am »
Lol, I have no idea...

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 12:32:40 am »
After saving everything and having a short look on every page, I came up with this. I hope I didn't criticize too much and it doesn't sound like I don't like it. I like your work, but it's not perfect and there's some stuff that annoys me. Maybe it's me and my ignorance. I hope you understand what I mean.

Well, many pieces are good. Not perfect, still they're well-made and every detail seems to be added. And that's where I need to tell you that maybe less would've been more. I own the official transcription already, so I am able to compare at least some tracks. I know you transcribed the full score, yes. I said SOME parts. I'm not talking about a single note. See, look at Bio(luminescence Of...) for example. Page 1, what is that? Is that from the 5CD soundtrack?
It's Jake Sleeps, I added some informations yesterday
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There are two tracks in it: Jake Sleeps (in CS/DE, the normal one), The Bioluminescence of the Night (OST/DE they are the same). I treat it as the dream of Jake, after this day there are lots to think of.


Page 2, is it just me or is the whole stuff a bit slower and faster? You changed the time signature, I see, but the notes are still not held long enough. Then the flute part, sometimes indicated as these tiny notes, sometimes not. Especially the solo (somewhere round 1203) isn't valued, while you use so many musical ornaments in your transcription, here there's only one, the appoggiatura (is it actually?) at 1205.
I didn't change the time signature (actually, except the composer and the one in producing, no one knows it), it's clearly 3 beats..!
Or do you mean the tempo? Maybe 68 seems very slow to you, but I had try it with the soundtrack playing, it's nearly the same.
What's the meaning of "the notes are still not held long enough"..?
I checked again all the flute part in page 2 are small notes, the one in normal form are not in flute part.
I expect the player had listened the track or can sense him/herself which voice is the solo, for all phases, as my piano teacher expects me..
Listen to the soundtrack again, there's clearly something at 1205...



Page 3 is...well...unplayable. I don't know what you did there, the tinkling sounds are nice, but do you have to add those and do the melody part and the accompaniment and then the other tinkling sound as well? You lose track so easily, it looks awful and I can't believe anyone could get the timing right.
The stuff I'm playing is just like this kind... melody and accompaniment in the same hand.
Listen to that track again, part with and without the tinklings makes great difference, and they are in high pitch, so they must be played by right hand (the higher one).
The beat is not so complicated... regularly 16ths... and the tempo is not fast, to me that is not a big problem



I stop being fussy now and concentrate more on the bigger issues. And the timing thing leads me to one question: Did you ever try to play what you created? Viperwolves, Becoming One, Gathering All The Na'vi Clans...these tracks look like even a master would have problems with them. And Becoming One seems to be a rather easy track when I look at the official transcription, of course it is not that accurate as yours, but yours looks wrong because of that. Sixty-fourth notes? Are you honest? And sextoles at the same time?
Honestly I've only tried a few.. :P
That's really something in the Viperwolves, this track includes too much unpitched notes.
But I don't think Becoming One, Gathering All The Na'vi Clans .. is unplayable, it needs much practice, but not impossible.
For the 64ths, they from the part got from the deleted scenes, a very slow piece.
You can click the spoiler in that spoiler to see the sheets without this part.


Another thing is that I tend to believe that you wanted to make it look difficult. No, I don't want to impute something to you, but there are these time signatures. Alla breve when I think it's completly unnecessary; 4/2, 12/8, 9/4, 1/2 or 4/8 are all uncommon and the tempo is often given in half notes or something. Why do you put I See You into a 4/8? That's a pop song, you can write it in 4/4 without any problems, anyone can read it then and you don't need to use quintolets anymore.
They don't make anything looks difficult, what's their usage..:
4/2 - Gives you the feeling "it won't be fast" and "the sentences are long". Try compare 3/4 with 3/2, 2/4 with 2/2.
9/4 - In that track is using 6/4, 9/4 appears when extra three 4ths exist (due to some cut). Why I don't use 3/4+6/4? Because they are not the same. 6/4 means 2 groups of three 4ths, 9/4 means 3 groups, both of them are compound times, but 3/4 is not.
1/2 - Here I felt the melody is heavy and one note (beat) use one bar, as the previous Jake's First Flight, every bar felt as one (big) beat only.
12/8 - Just want to follow phase 5-5, 5-6, 5-8, they all uses compound time.

I See You, the 4/8:
If I follows the official one (that's 2 4/8 bars become 1 4/4 bar), I have to use 2/4 sometimes. I hate this, so I take their 2 beats as a bar.
OK then you say I should make all the notes here double longer and 4/8 -> 4/4. Think of this, the voices are complicated right? The tails link the notes in the same voice, and help you to identify from them. If it's 4/4, some of the tails will dissappear and you have to find the voices more harder.

One of the reason is that I want to use more different kind of sigs. These are not THAT unusual, I don use _/1, _/32, 8/_, 11/_ or any these kind of stuff already.. :P

And when we talk about I See You, look at 5398 and the following measures, that half note/sixteenth note thing is so confusing, can't you put it all into bass clef? Same at the Thanator Chase for example.
In I See You, that part means you play the bass clef stuff with your left hand. And one more thing is the note moved is stepping with the melody, it's even more confusing if there are two same note but in different staffs. Sometimes it really would be this way, but this time it can be avoided.
For the opening of Thanator Chase, the notes moved means heavier. It's not the kind pp/ff..>.. can express. They are some bass drum actually, I combinded it with pitched notes, it doesn't mean the note is stronger, but it means it is not the same kind (but in the same voice).



Last point: As much as I try, sometimes the transcription just doesn't match to the soundtrack, I don't see the connection, i.e. I can't follow the sheet. Look at Grace's Lab, there are these twelve things I can't even name and I don't hear any of those.
This is arrangement not direct coping, you know, piano is not organ or cello or something, the long notes won't hold tì'i'avay krrä, and you cannot make dynamics with one holded thing.
Those 12th things come from the bass, and also the repeated notes, they MEAN one long thing, but you MAKE it won't lose, keep the sound and DO something on it.


Suggestions: Mark the canto, it's easier that way. Put together what needs to be put together, don't do it when you need to lose track because of that. Time signatures could be easier, I don't know if you can do that by one click though. And I'd like to know again when you wrote smaller notes and why.

No offense, this is just what I think. I hope it's helpful.
My vocabulary is so poor that I don't know what to put in for canto, I'm sorry..
And could you give some examples for "what needs to be put together"? Sorry again I don't get what it is.

I use small notes usually when:
1. there's not enough space to put that 50- or 60-something notes in one line.
2. there are too many voices in one staff, use small notes to help identifing.
3. it is from percussion part, means there isn't that sound actually.
4. they are weaker, more unclear notes.
5. they are some notes I add on.
it may not be one of these also, but usually is.
Small notes isn't mean optional. No, you must play it, they are one of the contents.





Irayo for your long feedback, it makes me take a review for what I've done, too.. :)
Hope you will understand why I choose the "strange" way sometimes.
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