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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 03:16:43 pm »
I have reciently gotten into arrainging and I think it's tons of fun!  With your permission, of course, i would like to arrange some of these songs for a String Quartet?

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 09:29:00 pm »
I have reciently gotten into arrainging and I think it's tons of fun!  With your permission, of course, i would like to arrange some of these songs for a String Quartet?
Sure, why can't? :)
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 12:20:40 pm »
I didn't change the time signature (actually, except the composer and the one in producing, no one knows it), it's clearly 3 beats..!
Or do you mean the tempo? Maybe 68 seems very slow to you, but I had try it with the soundtrack playing, it's nearly the same.
What's the meaning of "the notes are still not held long enough"..?
I checked again all the flute part in page 2 are small notes, the one in normal form are not in flute part.
I expect the player had listened the track or can sense him/herself which voice is the solo, for all phases, as my piano teacher expects me..
Listen to the soundtrack again, there's clearly something at 1205...

Well, I just thought it doesn't fit too well. 1182 isn't right for example, the measure's slightly shorter. What I noticed is that your transcription also seems to be kind of syncopic, how about starting with an upbeat, so that you don't need to use ties and the meter seems to be right to me. You know what I mean? Just start with the melody in 1171 on the 3. What I also noticed is that the official transcription uses a 11/16 at 1213 and that measure is indeed a bit shorter than 3/4.

No, there's a flute there, or are we listening to a different version? Try this one, 1:32 is what I'm talking about, I'm sure it's a flute and that that's measure 1203.



The stuff I'm playing is just like this kind... melody and accompaniment in the same hand.
Listen to that track again, part with and without the tinklings makes great difference, and they are in high pitch, so they must be played by right hand (the higher one).
The beat is not so complicated... regularly 16ths... and the tempo is not fast, to me that is not a big problem

Ok, one point for you, but it looks so packed. Hard to read because one note hides the other, do you know what I mean? Look.



Honestly I've only tried a few.. :P
That's really something in the Viperwolves, this track includes too much unpitched notes.
But I don't think Becoming One, Gathering All The Na'vi Clans .. is unplayable, it needs much practice, but not impossible.

Maybe it's not so bad. Nothing for me though, far too complicated. How to do these 12-whatevers? I already wondered. I know triplets, I've also seen quintolets, but the same with 12?

They don't make anything looks difficult, what's their usage..:
4/2 - Gives you the feeling "it won't be fast" and "the sentences are long". Try compare 3/4 with 3/2, 2/4 with 2/2.
9/4 - In that track is using 6/4, 9/4 appears when extra three 4ths exist (due to some cut). Why I don't use 3/4+6/4? Because they are not the same. 6/4 means 2 groups of three 4ths, 9/4 means 3 groups, both of them are compound times, but 3/4 is not.
1/2 - Here I felt the melody is heavy and one note (beat) use one bar, as the previous Jake's First Flight, every bar felt as one (big) beat only.
12/8 - Just want to follow phase 5-5, 5-6, 5-8, they all uses compound time.

I See You, the 4/8:
If I follows the official one (that's 2 4/8 bars become 1 4/4 bar), I have to use 2/4 sometimes. I hate this, so I take their 2 beats as a bar.
OK then you say I should make all the notes here double longer and 4/8 -> 4/4. Think of this, the voices are complicated right? The tails link the notes in the same voice, and help you to identify from them. If it's 4/4, some of the tails will dissappear and you have to find the voices more harder.

So you used these time signatures for a kind of description or advice? To tell how to play it, to tell them which feeling is needed? That may sound rude, but couldn't you just write "grave con expressivo" or something instead of using 1/2? Too many measures freak me out. And the tempo as well, kinda misleading. If we have one half note per beat, we have 120 quarter notes per minutes, it's hard for me to figure that out at first. Not with half notes, only when you have the dotted half notes.

I don't know, I really don't know. Maybe I'm only afraid of trying something new, as many people are. I'd prefer 4/4 and 2/4, yes, with the reason that it's something I know, I know how to deal with. Stupid question, but can you do 8/8? Just an idea. Doesn't matter.

In I See You, that part means you play the bass clef stuff with your left hand. And one more thing is the note moved is stepping with the melody, it's even more confusing if there are two same note but in different staffs. Sometimes it really would be this way, but this time it can be avoided.
For the opening of Thanator Chase, the notes moved means heavier. It's not the kind pp/ff..>.. can express. They are some bass drum actually, I combinded it with pitched notes, it doesn't mean the note is stronger, but it means it is not the same kind (but in the same voice).

I'd suggest something like L.H. (left hand), read that all the time. And for the Thanator Chase maybe sfz (sforzando)? The heaviest I could think of.

This is arrangement not direct coping, you know, piano is not organ or cello or something, the long notes won't hold tì'i'avay krrä, and you cannot make dynamics with one holded thing.
Those 12th things come from the bass, and also the repeated notes, they MEAN one long thing, but you MAKE it won't lose, keep the sound and DO something on it.

Yeah, especially drum parts make it difficult because of that. But I'm not talking about the act of arranging in general, it's that I just lose track when I try to read it. Does it match the music or is there some extra stuff?

My vocabulary is so poor that I don't know what to put in for canto, I'm sorry..
And could you give some examples for "what needs to be put together"? Sorry again I don't get what it is.

I use small notes usually when:
1. there's not enough space to put that 50- or 60-something notes in one line.
2. there are too many voices in one staff, use small notes to help identifing.
3. it is from percussion part, means there isn't that sound actually.
4. they are weaker, more unclear notes.
5. they are some notes I add on.
it may not be one of these also, but usually is.
Small notes isn't mean optional. No, you must play it, they are one of the contents.

Irayo for your long feedback, it makes me take a review for what I've done, too.. :)
Hope you will understand why I choose the "strange" way sometimes.

Canto, looked that up, is the melody, the main voice, however you wanna call it. It's just difficult to sense what's accompaniment and what not. Same with the small notes, do you mean with 2. that you did exactly that? And is there an example for 5.?

A question that quite bothers me before I give you the chance to reply: Mated For Life ends with Page 6, is there anything added then? And why are the measures from page 7 to 9 all that loose (don't know how to call it, sorry)?
Oe lu Kxeyo—

—pa'liyä maktoyu.

Actually, that would be an interesting thought; if gay Na'vi would actually mate, or just run off in the bushes for a little bum-fun!

Kxa (Open your mouth and say "Kxa") :P


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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2011, 04:57:11 pm »
I have reciently gotten into arrainging and I think it's tons of fun!  With your permission, of course, i would like to arrange some of these songs for a String Quartet?
Sure, why can't? :)

Yay :D  I'll go ahead and post hear as I finish them :)

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2011, 06:22:15 pm »
I have reciently gotten into arrainging and I think it's tons of fun!  With your permission, of course, i would like to arrange some of these songs for a String Quartet?
Sure, why can't? :)

Yay :D  I'll go ahead and post hear as I finish them :)

This is so going to be epìkx :) I LOVE strings, especially the double bass.

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2011, 08:38:08 pm »
I have reciently gotten into arrainging and I think it's tons of fun!  With your permission, of course, i would like to arrange some of these songs for a String Quartet?
Sure, why can't? :)

Yay :D  I'll go ahead and post hear as I finish them :)

This is so going to be epìkx :) I LOVE strings, especially the double bass.

well there aren't usually basses in string quartets and we don't havw any basses in our class but I might be able to put a part in

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2011, 03:01:37 am »
I didn't change the time signature (actually, except the composer and the one in producing, no one knows it), it's clearly 3 beats..!
Or do you mean the tempo? Maybe 68 seems very slow to you, but I had try it with the soundtrack playing, it's nearly the same.
What's the meaning of "the notes are still not held long enough"..?
I checked again all the flute part in page 2 are small notes, the one in normal form are not in flute part.
I expect the player had listened the track or can sense him/herself which voice is the solo, for all phases, as my piano teacher expects me..
Listen to the soundtrack again, there's clearly something at 1205...

Well, I just thought it doesn't fit too well. 1182 isn't right for example, the measure's slightly shorter. What I noticed is that your transcription also seems to be kind of syncopic, how about starting with an upbeat, so that you don't need to use ties and the meter seems to be right to me. You know what I mean? Just start with the melody in 1171 on the 3. What I also noticed is that the official transcription uses a 11/16 at 1213 and that measure is indeed a bit shorter than 3/4.

No, there's a flute there, or are we listening to a different version? Try this one, 1:32 is what I'm talking about, I'm sure it's a flute and that that's measure 1203.


1182 - I found there is something missed, but the length? I heard 4 beats.
1171 - I want to avoid using one more 2/4.
1213 - Don't it too weird? I read at before and I found it's really shorter, but it doesn't mean that I must follow 100%...
1203 - Oh, now I see what you mean... But the usage of flute here is not as the one before, I don't think I need to change that part of MELODY to small notes...




The stuff I'm playing is just like this kind... melody and accompaniment in the same hand.
Listen to that track again, part with and without the tinklings makes great difference, and they are in high pitch, so they must be played by right hand (the higher one).
The beat is not so complicated... regularly 16ths... and the tempo is not fast, to me that is not a big problem

Ok, one point for you, but it looks so packed. Hard to read because one note hides the other, do you know what I mean? Look.


Sorry, I think this is a position error... They MUST be fixed in the final version, don't worry. ;)



Honestly I've only tried a few.. :P
That's really something in the Viperwolves, this track includes too much unpitched notes.
But I don't think Becoming One, Gathering All The Na'vi Clans .. is unplayable, it needs much practice, but not impossible.

Maybe it's not so bad. Nothing for me though, far too complicated. How to do these 12-whatevers? I already wondered. I know triplets, I've also seen quintolets, but the same with 12?
Actually 3 = 6 = 12 = 24 = 48 = 96 = ...
You can treat it as 6-things, each bass note carries 1 and with a higher note, then (1+1)*6 = 12
It doesn't mean anything special. Classical music pieces often appears something 13, 17, 22, 26, 48 whatever, they only mean you play all that stuff in the shown period.



They don't make anything looks difficult, what's their usage..:
4/2 - Gives you the feeling "it won't be fast" and "the sentences are long". Try compare 3/4 with 3/2, 2/4 with 2/2.
9/4 - In that track is using 6/4, 9/4 appears when extra three 4ths exist (due to some cut). Why I don't use 3/4+6/4? Because they are not the same. 6/4 means 2 groups of three 4ths, 9/4 means 3 groups, both of them are compound times, but 3/4 is not.
1/2 - Here I felt the melody is heavy and one note (beat) use one bar, as the previous Jake's First Flight, every bar felt as one (big) beat only.
12/8 - Just want to follow phase 5-5, 5-6, 5-8, they all uses compound time.

I See You, the 4/8:
If I follows the official one (that's 2 4/8 bars become 1 4/4 bar), I have to use 2/4 sometimes. I hate this, so I take their 2 beats as a bar.
OK then you say I should make all the notes here double longer and 4/8 -> 4/4. Think of this, the voices are complicated right? The tails link the notes in the same voice, and help you to identify from them. If it's 4/4, some of the tails will dissappear and you have to find the voices more harder.

So you used these time signatures for a kind of description or advice? To tell how to play it, to tell them which feeling is needed? That may sound rude, but couldn't you just write "grave con expressivo" or something instead of using 1/2? Too many measures freak me out. And the tempo as well, kinda misleading. If we have one half note per beat, we have 120 quarter notes per minutes, it's hard for me to figure that out at first. Not with half notes, only when you have the dotted half notes.

I don't know, I really don't know. Maybe I'm only afraid of trying something new, as many people are. I'd prefer 4/4 and 2/4, yes, with the reason that it's something I know, I know how to deal with. Stupid question, but can you do 8/8? Just an idea. Doesn't matter.
So the final reason is: I don't know what to put for descriptions.. That's my fault (and it seems I misunderstood you and answer this in the wrong question..)
In figuring the tempo, I don't see any difficulties.. The tempo showes whatever, then you just put it into that kind of note.
For example, in 2504 (Toruk, VII-4), don't read it as "oh 1 half note per sec. means 1 bar per sec... let me calculate...", it should be "1 half note = 1 sec." only.
Then in 2545 that's mean "48 quarter notes / min.", ignore what's the time sig when you are finding the tempo.

I've never seen an 8/_, and I think bar that long is really meaningless...



In I See You, that part means you play the bass clef stuff with your left hand. And one more thing is the note moved is stepping with the melody, it's even more confusing if there are two same note but in different staffs. Sometimes it really would be this way, but this time it can be avoided.
For the opening of Thanator Chase, the notes moved means heavier. It's not the kind pp/ff..>.. can express. They are some bass drum actually, I combinded it with pitched notes, it doesn't mean the note is stronger, but it means it is not the same kind (but in the same voice).

I'd suggest something like L.H. (left hand), read that all the time. And for the Thanator Chase maybe sfz (sforzando)? The heaviest I could think of.
The LH RH s are not included in first version, they will be added soon.

Thanator thing, another reason is the notes are too low for table clef.
sfz is too heavy, I'm not meaning that...

(and the expressions are not included in this version.)



This is arrangement not direct coping, you know, piano is not organ or cello or something, the long notes won't hold tì'i'avay krrä, and you cannot make dynamics with one holded thing.
Those 12th things come from the bass, and also the repeated notes, they MEAN one long thing, but you MAKE it won't lose, keep the sound and DO something on it.

Yeah, especially drum parts make it difficult because of that. But I'm not talking about the act of arranging in general, it's that I just lose track when I try to read it. Does it match the music or is there some extra stuff?
They mean a continous bass only.
I think you are confused because of those false holding... Some of them are the solo but they looks never be.



My vocabulary is so poor that I don't know what to put in for canto, I'm sorry..
And could you give some examples for "what needs to be put together"? Sorry again I don't get what it is.

I use small notes usually when:
1. there's not enough space to put that 50- or 60-something notes in one line.
2. there are too many voices in one staff, use small notes to help identifing.
3. it is from percussion part, means there isn't that sound actually.
4. they are weaker, more unclear notes.
5. they are some notes I add on.
it may not be one of these also, but usually is.
Small notes isn't mean optional. No, you must play it, they are one of the contents.

Irayo for your long feedback, it makes me take a review for what I've done, too.. :)
Hope you will understand why I choose the "strange" way sometimes.

Canto, looked that up, is the melody, the main voice, however you wanna call it. It's just difficult to sense what's accompaniment and what not. Same with the small notes, do you mean with 2. that you did exactly that? And is there an example for 5.?

A question that quite bothers me before I give you the chance to reply: Mated For Life ends with Page 6, is there anything added then? And why are the measures from page 7 to 9 all that loose (don't know how to call it, sorry)?
So it backs to the basic thing: IT HAVEN'T COMPLETED YET... Just let you know this.
Let me guess. You are afraid of these never will be added, so you told me to add them.. Thank you for all these findings, they let me know how others read my thing.
Don't worry of this, but I need your suggestion: which part to be mark, how to mark... because I don't find any serious problem in my walkthrough just before.

Example for 5.: p.3 of The Bio.. It's normal that you can't listen any of them in the soundtrack.

Mated for Life: oh this confused you... It doesn't with p.6, there's only a gap for putting a picture..
The dashed barlines (Sibelius calls it in this way) means they don't felt as a seperation, normal ones represents the barlines of "huge bar"s :P




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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2011, 04:31:59 am »
Hi,
Could you upload your score in PDF format ? It would give better quality while reducing the file size.
Having the score as MIDI would also help understand how it's meant to sound.
Thanks.

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2011, 05:25:43 am »
PDF: I wish to but I don't know how to. Do you have any idea to make them as this?

Bumping because I can.

The WAR arrangement is finished!

It's a bit more difficult than the official sheet music, but it's nearly the entire song, instead of only the first 5 minutes. Oh, and it's arranged for the accelerated pianist, with a few fun quirks along the way. Hope you like it!

http://sebastianwolff.info/dl?f=avatar/Avatar_War_(Piano-Sheet-Music).pdf



MIDI: I haven't arrange the volume for different parts yet, export them now will only give you strange MIDIs..
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2011, 07:38:46 am »
Sibelius is doing everything to lock their customers into their products (That's why .sib files are encrypted) so they don't provide the option to directly export a PDF.
Fortunately, You can use the print feature to create a PDF.
I found this link using a search engine : http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tips/creating-pdfs-from-sibelius/
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On Mac OS X, it’s simplicity itself. Simply open the score from which you want to make a PDF, choose File > Print, and in the Print dialog, click the little PDF button at the bottom of the dialog. A menu appears when you click the button: click Save as PDF, choose where you want to save your PDF, and that’s it!
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On Windows, you will need to download and install some extra software. All PDF creators behave like virtual printers, i.e. in order to create a PDF, you print to a PDF printer driver, which produces a file rather than a piece of paper. There are lots and lots of free and inexpensive PDF creators out there for Windows, but the one I personally favour is PDFCreator, which is free and open-source. After you have downloaded and installed PDFCreator, an extra printer will appear in your Printers & Faxes applet in Control Panel. Now when you want to make a PDF, simply choose PDFCreator from the list of printers at the top of Sibelius’s File > Print dialog, and click OK. You’ll be prompted to choose a filename, and after a few moments a PDF will be created.

I'm interested in the MIDI even with incorrect volume.
I'm practicing using a software which scroll the score as you play but it needs a PDF and the corresponding MIDI notes to work.

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2011, 08:03:45 am »
Sibelius is doing everything to lock their customers into their products (That's why .sib files are encrypted) so they don't provide the option to directly export a PDF.
Fortunately, You can use the print feature to create a PDF.
I found this link using a search engine : http://www.sibeliusblog.com/tips/creating-pdfs-from-sibelius/
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On Mac OS X, it’s simplicity itself. Simply open the score from which you want to make a PDF, choose File > Print, and in the Print dialog, click the little PDF button at the bottom of the dialog. A menu appears when you click the button: click Save as PDF, choose where you want to save your PDF, and that’s it!
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On Windows, you will need to download and install some extra software. All PDF creators behave like virtual printers, i.e. in order to create a PDF, you print to a PDF printer driver, which produces a file rather than a piece of paper. There are lots and lots of free and inexpensive PDF creators out there for Windows, but the one I personally favour is PDFCreator, which is free and open-source. After you have downloaded and installed PDFCreator, an extra printer will appear in your Printers & Faxes applet in Control Panel. Now when you want to make a PDF, simply choose PDFCreator from the list of printers at the top of Sibelius’s File > Print dialog, and click OK. You’ll be prompted to choose a filename, and after a few moments a PDF will be created.

I'm interested in the MIDI even with incorrect volume.
I'm practicing using a software which scroll the score as you play but it needs a PDF and the corresponding MIDI notes to work.

You helped me a lot! Thank you very much...
But unfortunately I don't have the time to make them all right now, you have to wait for few days for all.

Track 38 uploaded, ZIP include PDF and MIDI.
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2011, 10:10:34 am »
Could they maybe be put into finale and played there?

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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2011, 09:15:53 pm »
I don't know Finale can or connot, and how it read PDFs and MIDIs...

Try if you have..
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2011, 07:38:27 am »
I didn't change the time signature (actually, except the composer and the one in producing, no one knows it), it's clearly 3 beats..!
Or do you mean the tempo? Maybe 68 seems very slow to you, but I had try it with the soundtrack playing, it's nearly the same.
What's the meaning of "the notes are still not held long enough"..?
I checked again all the flute part in page 2 are small notes, the one in normal form are not in flute part.
I expect the player had listened the track or can sense him/herself which voice is the solo, for all phases, as my piano teacher expects me..
Listen to the soundtrack again, there's clearly something at 1205...

Well, I just thought it doesn't fit too well. 1182 isn't right for example, the measure's slightly shorter. What I noticed is that your transcription also seems to be kind of syncopic, how about starting with an upbeat, so that you don't need to use ties and the meter seems to be right to me. You know what I mean? Just start with the melody in 1171 on the 3. What I also noticed is that the official transcription uses a 11/16 at 1213 and that measure is indeed a bit shorter than 3/4.

No, there's a flute there, or are we listening to a different version? Try this one, 1:32 is what I'm talking about, I'm sure it's a flute and that that's measure 1203.


1182 - I found there is something missed, but the length? I heard 4 beats.
1171 - I want to avoid using one more 2/4.
1213 - Don't it too weird? I read at before and I found it's really shorter, but it doesn't mean that I must follow 100%...
1203 - Oh, now I see what you mean... But the usage of flute here is not as the one before, I don't think I need to change that part of MELODY to small notes...




The stuff I'm playing is just like this kind... melody and accompaniment in the same hand.
Listen to that track again, part with and without the tinklings makes great difference, and they are in high pitch, so they must be played by right hand (the higher one).
The beat is not so complicated... regularly 16ths... and the tempo is not fast, to me that is not a big problem

Ok, one point for you, but it looks so packed. Hard to read because one note hides the other, do you know what I mean? Look.


Sorry, I think this is a position error... They MUST be fixed in the final version, don't worry. ;)



Honestly I've only tried a few.. :P
That's really something in the Viperwolves, this track includes too much unpitched notes.
But I don't think Becoming One, Gathering All The Na'vi Clans .. is unplayable, it needs much practice, but not impossible.

Maybe it's not so bad. Nothing for me though, far too complicated. How to do these 12-whatevers? I already wondered. I know triplets, I've also seen quintolets, but the same with 12?
Actually 3 = 6 = 12 = 24 = 48 = 96 = ...
You can treat it as 6-things, each bass note carries 1 and with a higher note, then (1+1)*6 = 12
It doesn't mean anything special. Classical music pieces often appears something 13, 17, 22, 26, 48 whatever, they only mean you play all that stuff in the shown period.



They don't make anything looks difficult, what's their usage..:
4/2 - Gives you the feeling "it won't be fast" and "the sentences are long". Try compare 3/4 with 3/2, 2/4 with 2/2.
9/4 - In that track is using 6/4, 9/4 appears when extra three 4ths exist (due to some cut). Why I don't use 3/4+6/4? Because they are not the same. 6/4 means 2 groups of three 4ths, 9/4 means 3 groups, both of them are compound times, but 3/4 is not.
1/2 - Here I felt the melody is heavy and one note (beat) use one bar, as the previous Jake's First Flight, every bar felt as one (big) beat only.
12/8 - Just want to follow phase 5-5, 5-6, 5-8, they all uses compound time.

I See You, the 4/8:
If I follows the official one (that's 2 4/8 bars become 1 4/4 bar), I have to use 2/4 sometimes. I hate this, so I take their 2 beats as a bar.
OK then you say I should make all the notes here double longer and 4/8 -> 4/4. Think of this, the voices are complicated right? The tails link the notes in the same voice, and help you to identify from them. If it's 4/4, some of the tails will dissappear and you have to find the voices more harder.

So you used these time signatures for a kind of description or advice? To tell how to play it, to tell them which feeling is needed? That may sound rude, but couldn't you just write "grave con expressivo" or something instead of using 1/2? Too many measures freak me out. And the tempo as well, kinda misleading. If we have one half note per beat, we have 120 quarter notes per minutes, it's hard for me to figure that out at first. Not with half notes, only when you have the dotted half notes.

I don't know, I really don't know. Maybe I'm only afraid of trying something new, as many people are. I'd prefer 4/4 and 2/4, yes, with the reason that it's something I know, I know how to deal with. Stupid question, but can you do 8/8? Just an idea. Doesn't matter.
So the final reason is: I don't know what to put for descriptions.. That's my fault (and it seems I misunderstood you and answer this in the wrong question..)
In figuring the tempo, I don't see any difficulties.. The tempo showes whatever, then you just put it into that kind of note.
For example, in 2504 (Toruk, VII-4), don't read it as "oh 1 half note per sec. means 1 bar per sec... let me calculate...", it should be "1 half note = 1 sec." only.
Then in 2545 that's mean "48 quarter notes / min.", ignore what's the time sig when you are finding the tempo.

I've never seen an 8/_, and I think bar that long is really meaningless...



In I See You, that part means you play the bass clef stuff with your left hand. And one more thing is the note moved is stepping with the melody, it's even more confusing if there are two same note but in different staffs. Sometimes it really would be this way, but this time it can be avoided.
For the opening of Thanator Chase, the notes moved means heavier. It's not the kind pp/ff..>.. can express. They are some bass drum actually, I combinded it with pitched notes, it doesn't mean the note is stronger, but it means it is not the same kind (but in the same voice).

I'd suggest something like L.H. (left hand), read that all the time. And for the Thanator Chase maybe sfz (sforzando)? The heaviest I could think of.
The LH RH s are not included in first version, they will be added soon.

Thanator thing, another reason is the notes are too low for table clef.
sfz is too heavy, I'm not meaning that...

(and the expressions are not included in this version.)



This is arrangement not direct coping, you know, piano is not organ or cello or something, the long notes won't hold tì'i'avay krrä, and you cannot make dynamics with one holded thing.
Those 12th things come from the bass, and also the repeated notes, they MEAN one long thing, but you MAKE it won't lose, keep the sound and DO something on it.

Yeah, especially drum parts make it difficult because of that. But I'm not talking about the act of arranging in general, it's that I just lose track when I try to read it. Does it match the music or is there some extra stuff?
They mean a continous bass only.
I think you are confused because of those false holding... Some of them are the solo but they looks never be.



My vocabulary is so poor that I don't know what to put in for canto, I'm sorry..
And could you give some examples for "what needs to be put together"? Sorry again I don't get what it is.

I use small notes usually when:
1. there's not enough space to put that 50- or 60-something notes in one line.
2. there are too many voices in one staff, use small notes to help identifing.
3. it is from percussion part, means there isn't that sound actually.
4. they are weaker, more unclear notes.
5. they are some notes I add on.
it may not be one of these also, but usually is.
Small notes isn't mean optional. No, you must play it, they are one of the contents.

Irayo for your long feedback, it makes me take a review for what I've done, too.. :)
Hope you will understand why I choose the "strange" way sometimes.

Canto, looked that up, is the melody, the main voice, however you wanna call it. It's just difficult to sense what's accompaniment and what not. Same with the small notes, do you mean with 2. that you did exactly that? And is there an example for 5.?

A question that quite bothers me before I give you the chance to reply: Mated For Life ends with Page 6, is there anything added then? And why are the measures from page 7 to 9 all that loose (don't know how to call it, sorry)?
So it backs to the basic thing: IT HAVEN'T COMPLETED YET... Just let you know this.
Let me guess. You are afraid of these never will be added, so you told me to add them.. Thank you for all these findings, they let me know how others read my thing.
Don't worry of this, but I need your suggestion: which part to be mark, how to mark... because I don't find any serious problem in my walkthrough just before.

Example for 5.: p.3 of The Bio.. It's normal that you can't listen any of them in the soundtrack.

Mated for Life: oh this confused you... It doesn't with p.6, there's only a gap for putting a picture..
The dashed barlines (Sibelius calls it in this way) means they don't felt as a seperation, normal ones represents the barlines of "huge bar"s :P
I found that there would be a lot of blank pages in book 3, so canto markings of confusing parts can put into there as footnote.

Hey, I'm waiting for you..






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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2011, 09:05:03 am »
Sorry, I wanted to listen to the complete score while reading the sheet music, but I never found time to do that and so...version 2 nearly done? That's great, can't wait to see it!
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Re: Complete Score (1st ver.)
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2011, 10:14:04 am »
Oh ;)

Finding 3 hours is hard for everyone..



Up to track 41 now, I have to be hurry..

Hope the slurs helps figuring.
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Re: Complete Score (2nd ver.)
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2011, 09:49:27 am »
OK version 2 is DONE :)

Now you can view them in PDF, 4MB in total...




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Re: Complete Score (2nd ver.)
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2011, 10:08:45 am »
After having a short look, I got to tell you that you did a great job creating the PDF files, but I don't see (right now) such a big difference between version 1 and 2. Could you tell me what has changed?
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Re: Complete Score (2nd ver.)
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2011, 10:19:02 am »
Fortunately matthias told me how to make them in PDF

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I have to say that there's not really great difference between the following versions at all...

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Planned procedure would be

Version 0 - arranging and making hand-written drafts   (Feb 18 - Aug 18)
Version 1 - inputing basic notes   (Sep 1 - Dec 31)
Version 2 - adding slurs   (Jan 1 - Jan 27)
Version 3 - adding dynamics and expressions   (working)
Version 4a - adding fingerings   (??)
Version 5 - proofreading and final adjustment   (??)
Version 6 - full sheet with book designs and footnotes   (??)
Version 7 - printed product with appendices   (??)
Version 4b - re-arranged sheet with exact dynamics for MIDI exporting   (??)


For v.1 -> v.2, only one thing: slurs.. (of course I would re-arrange the positions if I don't like it)
Which phase you've seen? Because some of them are slightly edited only, some phases don't require many slurs.

This is a way to mark canto also..
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Re: Complete Score (2nd ver.)
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2011, 11:25:46 am »
I have to say that there's not really great difference between the following versions at all...

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Planned procedure would be

Version 0 - arranging and making hand-written drafts   (Feb 18 - Aug 18)
Version 1 - inputing basic notes   (Sep 1 - Dec 31)
Version 2 - adding slurs   (Jan 1 - Jan 27)
Version 3 - adding dynamics and expressions   (working)
Version 4a - adding fingerings   (??)
Version 5 - proofreading and final adjustment   (??)
Version 6 - full sheet with book designs and footnotes   (??)
Version 7 - printed product with appendices   (??)
Version 4b - re-arranged sheet with exact dynamics for MIDI exporting   (??)


For v.1 -> v.2, only one thing: slurs.. (of course I would re-arrange the positions if I don't like it)
Which phase you've seen? Because some of them are slightly edited only, some phases don't require many slurs.

This is a way to mark canto also..

Fingering would be neat. Too bad that's version 4. And about version 7, how would realize it? I'm curious... ;)

I've looked at book one. Yeah, I noticed this or that but it looked very similar, so I asked. Will go through the phases today. At least I try to. What I noticed are little 3s, I bet they got a meaning, right?
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