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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2011, 11:11:13 am »
I thought you gotta use moderato with something. Only seen it that way. Scatenato...well. What these tempi are about is...before you could tell someone exactly how fast the piece must be played, you had to come up with something. And that's what all that italian is for. Try to be as precise as possible with these, I'd say. Describe the whole piece.

"Con moto" means with motion, I think it'd express that you got to emphasize the rhythm, the drums in "You Don't Dream in Cryo..." Con always means "with" and is already one of these words that describe the tempo in detail. I think it's useful.
Maybe più vivo or più mosso would be good choices for that part.. also.
What makes me can't decide the tempo for the very first part is, it's marked as 60 beats (half-notes) per minute, but in fact I tend to count 6 beats in one measure.
Lento seems too slow, andante seems a bit wrong for that.
If scatenato con moto is a good choice for that, I should follow. Wait for this in version 4. :)

Yes, but what I want is only make it more close to the original, include more details than other arrangements, difficulty is only followed by this effect.
Some of them maybe hard, but not impossible to play, I'm somehow proving this by adding fingerings..
If the player want an easier, for outline-only version, then this version here maybe a bit not suitable for them.

When I read this...well, at least you told me that you thought of this and really pay attention at what I say. And I have to tell you I know that it's not impossible, I actually know worse things. All you gotta see is...you're writing this to be performed, right? And that's what I meant: Who will perform it? If it's so difficult but not impossible? People on here aren't virtuosi. Nor will you send your piece to some. Think of that...
This is a problem.
But I think number performers will not increase vastly after making all them easy. There are still many sheets out there.
Writing this is somehow a practice to me - I've never write any proper sheets before, are there many players is not very important..
OK this isn't any pessimistic wordings.. I would be glad if anyone have interest in playing it really...
The shorter gap between this and the original may be the feature of this arrangement ..

Your words are reasonable, only I can't feel them clearly, but anyway I should slightly simplify some of the famous, or really too difficult tracks.
Only... some of them can't be simplified, for example the first image up there, the original is made up by phrases of melodies and many unpitched or sliding accompaniments.
If anything there is lost, the whole sense will be broken also.
Or last page of Bio, yes it's very hard but I already know how your hand movements awesome when you are able to play it. :)

Concerning the difficulty now and beginners. Plus what you said...Your two examples aren't really what I thought of again. The first page is actually ok like this. And Bio with fingering may make it easier. It's just when it looks like this. It's confusing. I already thought of telling you to color the different parts, but that's stupid. Maybe Sibelius (or what do you use?) will allow you to change the appereance of the whole thing a bit. It doesn't look very pleasing.

You don't know how difficult this is for beginners, I see. Kinda thought about that. Think of as much as that: F sharp major isn't easy. (Look at "Becoming One"). When you add now this to the difficulty of 4 parts the player's pretty much done. Many players are happy with two parts. Of course you won't change that, but let me go further. You concentrate on the sharps. You concentrate on the rhythm and the different parts. Now you get told to play every part at a different volume, gotta play the main part always louder, may not forget about the legato here and there and soon odd rhythms are added. How you realize all this at once...I don't know. You gotta concentrate on so many details when you do this, plus think of people who cannot read so fast. And fingering doesn't make it easier sometimes: If you're not experienced, you can't do it anyway. Your fingers stretch to one octave, not more. If you want more you gotta "jump". Which means you need to hit the right key. The most difficult thing I could think of.

For beginners...I'd suggest none of these tracks. For people who can play a bit: Nothing beyond 50% difficulty. And you may know how many tracks are playble then. Anything beyond is already for people that are experienced. Advanced players.
Colors.. like this video right? Yes this is what I can see in making the sheets.

But I don't know how to print them out, and yeah this is a bit stupid, sheets are black and white only..

Don't afraid. There are many ways to define which voice the part is.
Look at the stems, or how I use big and small notes.
If these don't help, there's still a backup document.
In version 4b, should be the second-last step, I'm going to create audio tracks with exact volumes.
Before doing this, I have to split all the parts, in a sheet with several lines, like quartets or sheets for band, each line contains one single part only.
So if you are really confused by the parts in the 2-line sheet, this document in version 4b and 8 will be a helpful reference.

The high difficulty is caused by doing many thing at the same time, I agree with this.
This can be solved by practicing. Don't expect anyone can play it as performance with just looking the sheet once or twice.. (unless you're really a extremely advanced)
I wonder how people on YouTube plays Avatar tracks in December 2009...
I'm not a fan of improvisation, practicing is expected, to me. Long practice.. so that finally you can manage all those.
Sight reading is the worst part of my playing. My teacher always blame me on this. :P

Volume is not a big problem if you can get on the skill.
The requirement is not that straight, just - double the melody, others keep quiet. There are two sound level at once only.
Sometimes three levels in some tracks would be better, but two is still nice to listen to.

Maybe I can't remember how I learn years ago.
The "beginners" should be "beginners of grade 6 level", which are learning to play different volumes at once, and would still face problems. :P

One more thing, my hand span is 9". Are some spans in the sheet too large? Heard somewhere Asian's hands are smaller..



Looks nice! Good work!

I'm looking forward to the following Versions!

As for the beginners:

It would be good to keep the old versions, so they could start first with "only" the notes, then they can add bit by bit more (that means the next version), so it's not all at once.

Don't give up!
Thanks! ;)

I will keep all the past sheets as historical reference (and there will be a digital file shows how sheets been made and when).

But... just one thing: earlier version should be more difficult than later one.
As you see we are talking about how to simplify it, and the old version.. it's difficult to play with a sheet with no descriptions..



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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2011, 12:02:41 pm »
I made a decision: I'll look through every track now. Maybe you can answer some questions on them as well. Now that you mentioned Cryo, I've seen the problem. Felt it. I don't know exactly what to do there, but may I suggest...

You could increase the tempo. Better said you have to. There's no motion in your arrangement, when I listen to the midi I don't get the feeling of this track. So either tempo or...

Rhythm is essential. And the echoing voices. After all, I think you should decide to stick with accelerando, because this piece feels like getting faster to me. And when I'm nut-picking, well...what about a glissando in measure 17? That'd be cool, draw some attention and sound better imo.

Now the tempi. I'll do this for every track from now on, write down and comment.

Scatenato isn't precise for tempo, it's only to describe the "energy" in this piece. Nut that's not so important. When I'm thinking about it...I'd go for scatenato pìu mosso .

Fermate on 18? Or slower the tempo if you increase the tempo at the beginning.

Moderato is ok, Lento is...I'm not happy with it, but I don't know anything better.

I highly disagree with Con Fuoco. It means that you got something furious or exagerrated, but this part is not like that. It's even heavier than your lento part, it drags. Better try maestoso or something similar.

Capriccioso seems to be misleading. You're not playing a scherzo - this is, of course, a more lively part, but nothing else. To help you with this and tranquillo...I cannot come up with anything right now, if something comes to my mind I'll tell you. But why not mark perdendosi at the end of the track?
Oe lu Kxeyo—

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2011, 11:05:04 pm »
I made a decision: I'll look through every track now. Maybe you can answer some questions on them as well. Now that you mentioned Cryo, I've seen the problem. Felt it. I don't know exactly what to do there, but may I suggest...

You could increase the tempo. Better said you have to. There's no motion in your arrangement, when I listen to the midi I don't get the feeling of this track. So either tempo or...
All the tempo are followed by the original, that's nearly the same.
I think the current numbers should be fixed, the thing going to be discussed is the markers, and also just wait for how the player interprets.
It's normal that MIDI tracks lose the feeling or motion.. the sound is unreal and doesn't surround, without pedal and clear cresc.. dim..

But I agree that the first page isn't really get the feeling. I have no idea how to get the pitches..

Rhythm is essential. And the echoing voices. After all, I think you should decide to stick with accelerando, because this piece feels like getting faster to me. And when I'm nut-picking, well...what about a glissando in measure 17? That'd be cool, draw some attention and sound better imo.
It's middle part is getting slower and slower in fact, but yes, stronger and stronger.. maybe this makes you think this way.
At the very first I started this project, I had the same thought, but later tempo checking proves it isn't getting faster..
When one plays it and really feels not good, increase the tempo or not is up to him. Then it can be "likely faster".

Gliss. is cool!
But, just wonder, isn't it only for the method that using the thumb and.. glide? or it also satisfy anything with that sense?
If it's the later one, OK definitely adding it. ;D
(and there are many phrases similar to this)

Now the tempi. I'll do this for every track from now on, write down and comment.

Scatenato isn't precise for tempo, it's only to describe the "energy" in this piece. Nut that's not so important. When I'm thinking about it...I'd go for scatenato pìu mosso .
But this is the first part in the whole book, what can be compared by "more"?

Fermate on 18? Or slower the tempo if you increase the tempo at the beginning.
Tempo doesn't change here, just the note are much longer.
pp is enough maybe.. giving expression to this 7-measure-part would be too many.

Moderato is ok, Lento is...I'm not happy with it, but I don't know anything better.
Then Andante...?

I highly disagree with Con Fuoco. It means that you got something furious or exagerrated, but this part is not like that. It's even heavier than your lento part, it drags. Better try maestoso or something similar.
I can find a German expression means drag in the glossary..
Maestoso is a good idea.

Capriccioso seems to be misleading. You're not playing a scherzo - this is, of course, a more lively part, but nothing else. To help you with this and tranquillo...I cannot come up with anything right now, if something comes to my mind I'll tell you. But why not mark perdendosi at the end of the track?
That short section changes rapidly.. f p f p f p.. like this, so I got this idea.. all wrong?
Perdendosi is "dying away".. I think this is not for this track..

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #63 on: May 21, 2011, 05:22:37 am »
But I agree that the first page isn't really get the feeling. I have no idea how to get the pitches..

You could get back to it one day maybe. I think the first track is the most important, and if the beginning doesn't sound good...



It's middle part is getting slower and slower in fact, but yes, stronger and stronger.. maybe this makes you think this way.
At the very first I started this project, I had the same thought, but later tempo checking proves it isn't getting faster..
When one plays it and really feels not good, increase the tempo or not is up to him. Then it can be "likely faster".

Gliss. is cool!
But, just wonder, isn't it only for the method that using the thumb and.. glide? or it also satisfy anything with that sense?
If it's the later one, OK definitely adding it. ;D
(and there are many phrases similar to this)

Ok, why not use pìu mosso later than? The tempi, of course, can be changed through different interpretations.

I looked up how to play them. Always used full hand so far! ;D
You're right, gotta use your thumb. But remember it will be a rather short one and so I don't see a problem with that. If you go up, btw, you use the middle finger.

Andante...I associate something else with andante, but that's just me and my german skills. I always translated andante with andächtig and that means devotional. Use it, it might be a good decision no matter what I think when I hear it. ::)

I can find a German expression means drag in the glossary..

Yeah, schleppend. But that explecitely means that you have to get slower and slower while playing. I just wanted to describe how it feels kinda heavy. Forget about it.

That short section changes rapidly.. f p f p f p.. like this, so I got this idea.. all wrong?
Perdendosi is "dying away".. I think this is not for this track..

...

I should add your name into the credit list. ::)

Mobile? That's all that comes to my mind. I see what you wanted to express...just don't know anything else besides that. And if you want to use tranquillo after that it's ok.


I thought about that, but...I don't have any musical skills to contribute. Just making suggestion while I don't know much as well. It's sad that no one else is doing this, trying to have a look.



More!

Quaritch's speech - Andante narrante sounds a bit strange because it rhymes. Kinda funny. Nothing else to comment on that. It's not bad. :P

Jake Enters His Avatar World

Allegretto is a good decision, all I've got is that you could add a leggiero (maybe) at measure 356. You have to kinda create a misterious feeling befor you get louder. I'm still thinking of a way to remove this later, is there an expression for this?

As far as I've seen it it's "Subito Lento". And please remember you can always write tempo primo instead of tempo I, you don't have to, but can.

Allegro animato and scherzando is exactly what I thought of. And the capriccioso is well placed. ;) What do you mean by arpeggio? The con brio is good.

Is that a mistake in 467? The 8va is only for the first note in the midi.

The last part makes little sense to me. Anyway, moderato is slower than allegro. Did you consider that?

The First Journey - Excellent! Sounds even great when listening to the midi version.
Oe lu Kxeyo—

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Actually, that would be an interesting thought; if gay Na'vi would actually mate, or just run off in the bushes for a little bum-fun!

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #64 on: May 21, 2011, 10:05:47 am »
But I agree that the first page isn't really get the feeling. I have no idea how to get the pitches..

You could get back to it one day maybe. I think the first track is the most important, and if the beginning doesn't sound good...
Yes, if people just can listen to bad music at the very first, they won't have the mood to listen to the remains.
But.. as you know the official sheet don't include this track, somehow means it's a bit difficult to be played well on piano..
That part mainly is percussion, what can I do? The similar track, 16, sucks because of this also.

It's nicer than I thought after page 1.. just, currently still don't got any idea to improve the first page.. :P


It's middle part is getting slower and slower in fact, but yes, stronger and stronger.. maybe this makes you think this way.
At the very first I started this project, I had the same thought, but later tempo checking proves it isn't getting faster..
When one plays it and really feels not good, increase the tempo or not is up to him. Then it can be "likely faster".

Gliss. is cool!
But, just wonder, isn't it only for the method that using the thumb and.. glide? or it also satisfy anything with that sense?
If it's the later one, OK definitely adding it. ;D
(and there are many phrases similar to this)

Ok, why not use pìu mosso later than? The tempi, of course, can be changed through different interpretations.

I looked up how to play them. Always used full hand so far! ;D
You're right, gotta use your thumb. But remember it will be a rather short one and so I don't see a problem with that. If you go up, btw, you use the middle finger.

Andante...I associate something else with andante, but that's just me and my german skills. I always translated andante with andächtig and that means devotional. Use it, it might be a good decision no matter what I think when I hear it. ::)
Because there's no tempo change. Is there an expression for only "stronger sense" but not tempo? Or tell me the answer in fact is più mosso..

The glissando I thought is C-D-E-F-G-A-B-... I can add "gliss" just if I want it SOUNDS gliding?

Have no idea for the section in p.4-5.. it's just, broader. The feature is bass crescendo suddenly.

I can find a German expression means drag in the glossary..

Yeah, schleppend. But that explecitely means that you have to get slower and slower while playing. I just wanted to describe how it feels kinda heavy. Forget about it.
So this isn't the one we want.
How about con bravura?

That short section changes rapidly.. f p f p f p.. like this, so I got this idea.. all wrong?
Perdendosi is "dying away".. I think this is not for this track..

...

I should add your name into the credit list. ::)

Mobile? That's all that comes to my mind. I see what you wanted to express...just don't know anything else besides that. And if you want to use tranquillo after that it's ok.


I thought about that, but...I don't have any musical skills to contribute. Just making suggestion while I don't know much as well. It's sad that no one else is doing this, trying to have a look.
This may be the deal.

No you have a lot. You won't be able to speak so much if you don't have any skills on this, right? :)
Yes it's sad.. It will be much better if there are more people some and have a look and leave something.
I'm jealous to other threads in this board in fact.. every time I'm looking to Who's online, there's often someone "Viewing the topic Avatar sheet music: I see you Sheet Music - Avatar "I See You" Piano." >:(



More!

Quaritch's speech - Andante narrante sounds a bit strange because it rhymes. Kinda funny. Nothing else to comment on that. It's not bad. :P
It's so quiet, and we only focus on Quaritch saying "......" (so narratively) and don't even notice the music.. Trying to include some expression seldom be used.

Jake Enters His Avatar World

Allegretto is a good decision, all I've got is that you could add a leggiero (maybe) at measure 356. You have to kinda create a misterious feeling befor you get louder. I'm still thinking of a way to remove this later, is there an expression for this?
If legg. is really going to be added, I would make it to m. 342. Sempre together maybe.. That part lasts for some time, in the same position.
Nothing needed to be added for the ending IMO, the voice played lightly just disappeared after page 1.

As far as I've seen it it's "Subito Lento". And please remember you can always write tempo primo instead of tempo I, you don't have to, but can.
My mistake.. this "suddenly" always comes first.
Use tempo I because primo and prima is used later. Boring huh? ;D

Allegro animato and scherzando is exactly what I thought of. And the capriccioso is well placed. ;) What do you mean by arpeggio? The con brio is good.
Good.. that's a funny part in the movie.
Arpeggio - harp like .. ?

Is that a mistake in 467? The 8va is only for the first note in the midi.
Yes MIDI mistake.

The last part makes little sense to me. Anyway, moderato is slower than allegro. Did you consider that?
I count a measure as a beat here, and 2 beats / measure starts from 464.
There are triplets right before the part, and the ending is slower comparing to the part before.
Try to listen it, you can feel it's broader starts from changing to A major...

The First Journey - Excellent! Sounds even great when listening to the midi version.
Thanks. :)
Sounds even better with pedal in live.. ::)
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2011, 05:59:16 am »
That part mainly is percussion, what can I do? The similar track, 16, sucks because of this also.

It's nicer than I thought after page 1.. just, currently still don't got any idea to improve the first page.. :P

Do you mean Jake's First Ride? That one's not so bad...

I'm thinking of a way to make this sound better. It's not easy, not easy at all. But...the beginning deals a lot with voices and their echo. If you give them priority and make them sound longer I think it's easier to follow. And what I observed: The rhythm sets in at measure 6. Shouldn't you start it there? I really don't know either what to do about this. Aren't there any other transcriptions out there yet? ;D

Because there's no tempo change. Is there an expression for only "stronger sense" but not tempo? Or tell me the answer in fact is più mosso..

The glissando I thought is C-D-E-F-G-A-B-... I can add "gliss" just if I want it SOUNDS gliding?

Have no idea for the section in p.4-5.. it's just, broader. The feature is bass crescendo suddenly.

Uhm...enfatico? Or energico? Pìu mosso means faster.

So you want it upwards? Or down to the C? Whatever you like. How to write these...



Another typical method is just connecting the two notes with a bar and to write gliss. above it. If there's no end shown, you just slide down all keys. And then there's black and white key glissando, but you want a white key glissando, I've seen that.

Look at this: largamente: broadly; i.e., slowly (same as largo)

Con bravura...I'd still say you should use maestoso.

No you have a lot. You won't be able to speak so much if you don't have any skills on this, right? :)
Yes it's sad.. It will be much better if there are more people some and have a look and leave something.
I'm jealous to other threads in this board in fact.. every time I'm looking to Who's online, there's often someone "Viewing the topic Avatar sheet music: I see you Sheet Music - Avatar "I See You" Piano." >:(

I guess they're shocked because it looks so difficult. They shouldn't be. ::)



If legg. is really going to be added, I would make it to m. 342. Sempre together maybe.. That part lasts for some time, in the same position.
Nothing needed to be added for the ending IMO, the voice played lightly just disappeared after page 1.

Then go add sempre legg., I think that's a good idea. It only helps players.

Arpeggio - harp like .. ?

That doesn't work, my dear. It translates to like a harp, but it's, as you may know, something different. :P But what else to use there? Propably nothing. I can see that you wanted to express that the sound represents the harp, but you can't do it like this...

I count a measure as a beat here, and 2 beats / measure starts from 464.
There are triplets right before the part, and the ending is slower comparing to the part before.
Try to listen it, you can feel it's broader starts from changing to A major...

So it's slower but played faster? I don't get it really. All I wanted to say is that moderato is a faster tempo than allegro and therefore maybe shouldn't be used.



Sorry, but...here's more. :P

Thanator Chase

The first part: Again, I have to tell you that andante is faster than lento. Is it that the second part shouldn't be played slower but it looks faster? You remove the dot from the half note, that should make it faster...that's exactly what I didn't understand right there above.

When it gets louder later...it's to slow, these loud parts need to be surprising. Con fuoco describes it pretty well, but maybe you should go for even a faster tempo than 60 BPM.

Starting from 668 on it sounds really weird. When I listened to the soundtrack again I recognized this as deep synthesizer stuff, something thunder-like. So...What if you get one octave lower and add pedal to it? It's not a constant sound, it's more noise-like and so you get an impressive effect. At the end of each phrase (683/4 and 709), you simply remove this and add fortepiano. ;)

The second part is ok. Nothing to comment on there.

Viperwolves

Here I'm definitly at a loss. There aren't any great words to describe the tension in this piece. All I can do is to comment on that what I'd emphasize a bit, if I don't comment on a term now I don't know what to tell you about it.

Calando isn't strong enough. It means the piece is getting slower and soft, but this is a very sweet part, the only one in this piece. Calando con molto espressione would describe it better, I think. Or add a "dolce".

792 may be a place to add a glissando again. Or would you try some clusters? Is that too harsh?

Subito at 818?

Not a lento. That's misplaced. A misterioso maybe? I don't have any expressions to express tension, but it's definitely misterious here.

Con animo is a bit soft. I'd be happy with a drammatico here. :P
Oe lu Kxeyo—

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Actually, that would be an interesting thought; if gay Na'vi would actually mate, or just run off in the bushes for a little bum-fun!

Kxa (Open your mouth and say "Kxa") :P

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2011, 10:40:18 am »
That part mainly is percussion, what can I do? The similar track, 16, sucks because of this also.

It's nicer than I thought after page 1.. just, currently still don't got any idea to improve the first page.. :P

Do you mean Jake's First Ride? That one's not so bad...

I'm thinking of a way to make this sound better. It's not easy, not easy at all. But...the beginning deals a lot with voices and their echo. If you give them priority and make them sound longer I think it's easier to follow. And what I observed: The rhythm sets in at measure 6. Shouldn't you start it there? I really don't know either what to do about this. Aren't there any other transcriptions out there yet? ;D
No, I mean "Jake Gets His Banshee", that is titled "He will Try to Kill You" here.

This page was done in first, 15 months ago with no experience.. but now there's still no way..
There are some long notes. Maybe they can be played as sf or something.

Yes, 1-5 is the intro and the movie screen is dark, after that forest appears. But what should I do? Notes tell everything for this.. ??? or..?

This is the site with most complete arrangement.. I don't even find ANY fan-made transcriptions outside except I See You (and many of them are really rough work only.)

Because there's no tempo change. Is there an expression for only "stronger sense" but not tempo? Or tell me the answer in fact is più mosso..

The glissando I thought is C-D-E-F-G-A-B-... I can add "gliss" just if I want it SOUNDS gliding?

Have no idea for the section in p.4-5.. it's just, broader. The feature is bass crescendo suddenly.

Uhm...enfatico? Or energico? Pìu mosso means faster.

So you want it upwards? Or down to the C? Whatever you like. How to write these...



Another typical method is just connecting the two notes with a bar and to write gliss. above it. If there's no end shown, you just slide down all keys. And then there's black and white key glissando, but you want a white key glissando, I've seen that.

Look at this: largamente: broadly; i.e., slowly (same as largo)

Con bravura...I'd still say you should use maestoso.
No I'm not talking about this kind of glissando, and this is the normal one.. but what the notes exactly in the sheet.
You suggested glissando. For the sense, it's very cool; but I'm not wanting its proper playing method, just the sense only..

Maestoso might be the best choice for those huge mining area and works.

No you have a lot. You won't be able to speak so much if you don't have any skills on this, right? :)
Yes it's sad.. It will be much better if there are more people some and have a look and leave something.
I'm jealous to other threads in this board in fact.. every time I'm looking to Who's online, there's often someone "Viewing the topic Avatar sheet music: I see you Sheet Music - Avatar "I See You" Piano." >:(

I guess they're shocked because it looks so difficult. They shouldn't be. ::)
If they're shocked, at least someone will come in and boost the viewing no. .
I guess people find the I See you threads by Google actually. They're all guests.
Why not try to look for anything new in links at "Learn Na'vi Community > Fandom > Fan Music > Sheet music > ..."?

It's better than before now. Finally I can find this page in Google by searching "Avatar sheet complete" or "Avatar complete score sheet".. ;)
But this is a less common searching. The audio tracks are still awful, many here don't know sheets just don't even notice its appearance..
For those writing Fan-fics, lyrics or drawings... you are so .. what can I say? (at least everyone understand their, but not mine..)



If legg. is really going to be added, I would make it to m. 342. Sempre together maybe.. That part lasts for some time, in the same position.
Nothing needed to be added for the ending IMO, the voice played lightly just disappeared after page 1.

Then go add sempre legg., I think that's a good idea. It only helps players.
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Arpeggio - harp like .. ?

That doesn't work, my dear. It translates to like a harp, but it's, as you may know, something different. :P But what else to use there? Propably nothing. I can see that you wanted to express that the sound represents the harp, but you can't do it like this...
OK just drop it.

I count a measure as a beat here, and 2 beats / measure starts from 464.
There are triplets right before the part, and the ending is slower comparing to the part before.
Try to listen it, you can feel it's broader starts from changing to A major...

So it's slower but played faster? I don't get it really. All I wanted to say is that moderato is a faster tempo than allegro and therefore maybe shouldn't be used.
I should add something for this in the footnote (ver. 6)
Moderato is slower. Everyone (read sheets) know this. So if they see this come up with 160 bpm, they should have guessed there's something going on.

Imagine all changed to 6/4 meter starts from m. 477, and markers mark the same things.



Sorry, but...here's more. :P

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The first part: Again, I have to tell you that andante is faster than lento. Is it that the second part shouldn't be played slower but it looks faster? You remove the dot from the half note, that should make it faster...that's exactly what I didn't understand right there above.
Same thing as above. The dot isn't a mistake, 1 measure = 1 measure. 3/4: 156 bpm becomes 2/4: 104 bpm, but the bass seems unchanged until the melody appears at 570.

When it gets louder later...it's to slow, these loud parts need to be surprising. Con fuoco describes it pretty well, but maybe you should go for even a faster tempo than 60 BPM.
This might involve improvisations, all these are up to the player's mind. Anyway basic tempo for this part to be 120 or 60 as said beat = measure is not a problem to me..

Starting from 668 on it sounds really weird. When I listened to the soundtrack again I recognized this as deep synthesizer stuff, something thunder-like. So...What if you get one octave lower and add pedal to it? It's not a constant sound, it's more noise-like and so you get an impressive effect. At the end of each phrase (683/4 and 709), you simply remove this and add fortepiano. ;)
Great idea! But I should make some changes on pitch.

The second part is ok. Nothing to comment on there.
This costs I lot of time to figure out when I was arranging.

Viperwolves

Here I'm definitly at a loss. There aren't any great words to describe the tension in this piece. All I can do is to comment on that what I'd emphasize a bit, if I don't comment on a term now I don't know what to tell you about it.

Calando isn't strong enough. It means the piece is getting slower and soft, but this is a very sweet part, the only one in this piece. Calando con molto espressione would describe it better, I think. Or add a "dolce".
Calando con molto and add dolce then. Other than this would be too long in word length..

792 may be a place to add a glissando again. Or would you try some clusters? Is that too harsh?
Just a sharper crescendo only, nothing special here.

Subito at 818?
I should have added something here.. no idea what it was. This idea is fine.

Not a lento. That's misplaced. A misterioso maybe? I don't have any expressions to express tension, but it's definitely mysterious here.
OK for mysterious. Just to note that the tempo in this part boundary changes very clearly in the original track.

Con animo is a bit soft. I'd be happy with a drammatico here. :P
Good to use new expressions.. :)
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2011, 02:34:01 pm »
No, I mean "Jake Gets His Banshee", that is titled "He will Try to Kill You" here.

This page was done in first, 15 months ago with no experience.. but now there's still no way..
There are some long notes. Maybe they can be played as sf or something.

Yes, 1-5 is the intro and the movie screen is dark, after that forest appears. But what should I do? Notes tell everything for this.. ??? or..?

Forget about it now. Maybe it's easier thatn you think and you see that later...

No I'm not talking about this kind of glissando, and this is the normal one.. but what the notes exactly in the sheet.
You suggested glissando. For the sense, it's very cool; but I'm not wanting its proper playing method, just the sense only..

But what's the difference then? You don't want to use your thumb? Then don't do it. I don't see a problem in adding it like this. And don't tell me you want to play that like a scale. Not in that short time. Really, you should just use it.



So it's slower but played faster? I don't get it really. All I wanted to say is that moderato is a faster tempo than allegro and therefore maybe shouldn't be used.
I should add something for this in the footnote (ver. 6)
Moderato is slower. Everyone (read sheets) know this. So if they see this come up with 160 bpm, they should have guessed there's something going on.

Imagine all changed to 6/4 meter starts from m. 477, and markers mark the same things.

Ok...it's because of the syncopation, I see. The term's still misleading, though. It's a good idea to add a description in this case.



Same thing as above. The dot isn't a mistake, 1 measure = 1 measure. 3/4: 156 bpm becomes 2/4: 104 bpm, but the bass seems unchanged until the melody appears at 570.

I need some time to understand all this. ::)

The triplets appear like a quarter note in that 3/4. I guess that's what you wanted?

This might involve improvisations, all these are up to the player's mind. Anyway basic tempo for this part to be 120 or 60 as said beat = measure is not a problem to me..

I just thought it sounds wrong. And it's pretty much impossible to make the notes even shorter...isn't there any way to make this faster? Look at measure 606, 624 and the part from 651 to 656. These measures are all played too slow. You could work with accel. if that's required.

Starting from 668 on it sounds really weird. When I listened to the soundtrack again I recognized this as deep synthesizer stuff, something thunder-like. So...What if you get one octave lower and add pedal to it? It's not a constant sound, it's more noise-like and so you get an impressive effect. At the end of each phrase (683/4 and 709), you simply remove this and add fortepiano. ;)
Great idea! But I should make some changes on pitch.

That's your task. I just...comment and suggest stuff. :P

The second part is ok. Nothing to comment on there.
This costs I lot of time to figure out when I was arranging.

It sounds great. Looks a bit complicated, but the sound is really good. ;)

Calando con molto and add dolce then. Other than this would be too long in word length..

Into the sheet like in measure 809? Ok, that's also nice.

792 may be a place to add a glissando again. Or would you try some clusters? Is that too harsh?
Just a sharper crescendo only, nothing special here.

Uhm...I wanted to avoid this...thing. 11 thirty-second notes will break the fingers of many players. That'd be another place for a glissando maybe, but I think you don't like them. It's your choice.



Jake Meets The Na'vi

Rather nice what you did there. But a very important question: Either the midi's wrong again or this marks something special. You use quintuplets and sextuplets, ok. But what about these half notes? Are they supposed to be held longer? And how do you do that? I don't get it...

The con brio part kinda shocked me. After all...the whole thing is kinda weird. I'm sorry to say that, but this is my least favorite track so far. It's well-written, no doubt, but as you get further and further in this piece it gets also worse. I know what you wanted to do there. Let me explain this and let me tell you what you could change if you wanted to. We're at a point similar to page 1, but I think there's a way out.

I love how much you try to make it sound perfect, but here it, you know, doesn't work and you have to come up with something. Why did you make it sound unpleasant then? Starting at 1021 it only gets worse...while this is my favorite part of the track. I may tolerate this, but when you start with Con Brio (I'm really sorry) you ruin this track with these scales. And when I listen to the recording I know what you tried, you tried to reproduce this strange loud noise. May I give you one advice? I guess you won't like it, but drop it. Focus more on the drum, keep the rhythm constant. And the melody, I don't know if you've heard that, has also an echo in it. Add it. Here are the part that should be changed: 1065-67, 1074-77 (Look at the rhythm in the left hand), 1082-1101 (it doesn't even match the soundtrack). Then let me talk about the tranquillo part, this one's kinda ok. I just want you to remember what tranquillo means: Calm and peacefully. This would be a wonderful part to keep free from rhythm. Listen to the recording, everything you did from measure 1116 from is just soft sounds, parts from other melodies and that voice. Keep that upright, focus on it. Do not try anything with tremoli, they create tension. Always.

You may ask yourself why I said all that now. You may be angry. Please listen: Jake Meets The Na'vi is one of my favorite tracks. I love it because it's full of everything and especially because of the end. The scene where they enter Kelutral is very impressive. Now I was looking forward to play that. To play your arrangement because I love this track and I asked myself why it should be that difficult. I found out and not only that was dissapointing, the transcription didn't even sound like that what I knew. That's why I said that. And won't change my opinion, sorry. I don't like this. At all.
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2011, 02:47:35 pm »
I find that using words like "hate" is inappropriate on any occasion. Especially when someone's dedicated hundreds of hours arranging/transcribing music so the rest of us can enjoy it...

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2011, 02:54:47 pm »
I find that using words like "hate" is inappropriate on any occasion. Especially when someone's dedicated hundreds of hours arranging/transcribing music so the rest of us can enjoy it...

Oh and ma Ikran Ahiyìk: plus points for using Sibelius :)

Ok...I already thought that would go a bit too far. Sorry, let me fix that.
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2011, 09:56:10 am »
No, I mean "Jake Gets His Banshee", that is titled "He will Try to Kill You" here.

This page was done in first, 15 months ago with no experience.. but now there's still no way..
There are some long notes. Maybe they can be played as sf or something.

Yes, 1-5 is the intro and the movie screen is dark, after that forest appears. But what should I do? Notes tell everything for this.. ??? or..?

Forget about it now. Maybe it's easier thatn you think and you see that later...

No I'm not talking about this kind of glissando, and this is the normal one.. but what the notes exactly in the sheet.
You suggested glissando. For the sense, it's very cool; but I'm not wanting its proper playing method, just the sense only..

But what's the difference then? You don't want to use your thumb? Then don't do it. I don't see a problem in adding it like this. And don't tell me you want to play that like a scale. Not in that short time. Really, you should just use it.
Just what the notes on the sheet, not normal glissando (not frequent enough).



Same thing as above. The dot isn't a mistake, 1 measure = 1 measure. 3/4: 156 bpm becomes 2/4: 104 bpm, but the bass seems unchanged until the melody appears at 570.

I need some time to understand all this. ::)

The triplets appear like a quarter note in that 3/4. I guess that's what you wanted?
Yes. A whole measure in the final part is just like triplet, in a time value of a half note.

This might involve improvisations, all these are up to the player's mind. Anyway basic tempo for this part to be 120 or 60 as said beat = measure is not a problem to me..

I just thought it sounds wrong. And it's pretty much impossible to make the notes even shorter...isn't there any way to make this faster? Look at measure 606, 624 and the part from 651 to 656. These measures are all played too slow. You could work with accel. if that's required.
Yes accel. I must be forgot to add it that time. :P

The second part is ok. Nothing to comment on there.
This costs I lot of time to figure out when I was arranging.

It sounds great. Looks a bit complicated, but the sound is really good. ;)
Its bass line is quite special.

792 may be a place to add a glissando again. Or would you try some clusters? Is that too harsh?
Just a sharper crescendo only, nothing special here.

Uhm...I wanted to avoid this...thing. 11 thirty-second notes will break the fingers of many players. That'd be another place for a glissando maybe, but I think you don't like them. It's your choice.
Played as fast as the player can. You will see more these things later.
(What glissando is in fact? Isn't that only scale of white or black keys, or chromatic scale?)



Jake Meets The Na'vi

Rather nice what you did there. But a very important question: Either the midi's wrong again or this marks something special. You use quintuplets and sextuplets, ok. But what about these half notes? Are they supposed to be held longer? And how do you do that? I don't get it...

The con brio part kinda shocked me. After all...the whole thing is kinda weird. I'm sorry to say that, but this is my least favorite track so far. It's well-written, no doubt, but as you get further and further in this piece it gets also worse. I know what you wanted to do there. Let me explain this and let me tell you what you could change if you wanted to. We're at a point similar to page 1, but I think there's a way out.

I love how much you try to make it sound perfect, but here it, you know, doesn't work and you have to come up with something. Why did you make it sound unpleasant then? Starting at 1021 it only gets worse...while this is my favorite part of the track. I may tolerate this, but when you start with Con Brio (I'm really sorry) you ruin this track with these scales. And when I listen to the recording I know what you tried, you tried to reproduce this strange loud noise. May I give you one advice? I guess you won't like it, but drop it. Focus more on the drum, keep the rhythm constant. And the melody, I don't know if you've heard that, has also an echo in it. Add it. Here are the part that should be changed: 1065-67, 1074-77 (Look at the rhythm in the left hand), 1082-1101 (it doesn't even match the soundtrack). Then let me talk about the tranquillo part, this one's kinda ok. I just want you to remember what tranquillo means: Calm and peacefully. This would be a wonderful part to keep free from rhythm. Listen to the recording, everything you did from measure 1116 from is just soft sounds, parts from other melodies and that voice. Keep that upright, focus on it. Do not try anything with tremoli, they create tension. Always.

You may ask yourself why I said all that now. You may be angry. Please listen: Jake Meets The Na'vi is one of my favorite tracks. I love it because it's full of everything and especially because of the end. The scene where they enter Kelutral is very impressive. Now I was looking forward to play that. To play your arrangement because I love this track and I asked myself why it should be that difficult. I found out and not only that was dissapointing, the transcription didn't even sound like that what I knew. That's why I said that. And won't change my opinion, sorry. I don't like this. At all.
What half notes? You mean the one at the beginning? If so, just hold for a bit time is fine. Don't forget they're in very high pitch, and what feature piano have on those notes.

Quintuplets and sextuplets: what's the problem?

1021-1063 is an extra part in the 5CD complete score. You won't find part of it in the movie.
The "worst" part. OK I think they are possible ideally, but I agree that they makes the sound strange, and a lot more difficult to play.
But .. really drop it? The effect producing a decreasing pitch of sound, which is one of the feature along the whole book.
I have thought on this: dropping is reasonable as now what we see, but can be something replaced in?
Dropping that "noise" will take away the harmony - just those drums only? Some trills in low pitch replace it maybe?

Tranquillo part, yes it's calm, only the MIDI not. Tremoli in the bass line should be very very quiet, ppp maybe, as what the soundtrack is, there's not nothing.
I will mark rubato.

The plan now: 1074-1077 and 1089-1097 will be changed.
For others, especially 1082-1088, still can't decide now. In fact part of it was changed when I was marking fingerings for this.

But one thing I would like you to know is that the MIDI made it crash EVEN HARDER. :P
Back on real pianos the sound is a lot better (not yet reach the normal standard maybe).
Drums and rhythm in MIDI is VERY UNCLEAR, which is NOT the supposed sound to live performance.



It's very difficult to make piano transcription of such music, I hope it will not be that bad as you hear now or expected after some edits.. :P



I find that using words like "hate" is inappropriate on any occasion. Especially when someone's dedicated hundreds of hours arranging/transcribing music so the rest of us can enjoy it...

Oh and ma Ikran Ahiyìk: plus points for using Sibelius :)
Long time no see, your postings here.. ::)

Maybe this at least better than those spammers on YouTube or somewhere else, at least here's reasons for not liking.
"Hate" is.. yeah a bit exceed the limit, but now I can't see where's it. Not interested in what it originally is and how it's fixed..

and.. what plus points?
Sibelius is excellent. Much better than the one I was using. :)
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #71 on: May 26, 2011, 01:54:24 pm »
Wow, it's incredible to see how much hard work is being done here. :) Ma Ikran Ahiyìk, I believe I have already given you karma for this, but my hand itches to press the [applaud] button again! hrh :D Very awesome.

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #72 on: May 26, 2011, 11:05:08 pm »
Wow, it's incredible to see how much hard work is being done here. :) Ma Ikran Ahiyìk, I believe I have already given you karma for this, but my hand itches to press the [applaud] button again! hrh :D Very awesome.
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2011, 07:39:07 am »
Sorry, didn't have time to reply until now.

No I'm not talking about this kind of glissando, and this is the normal one.. but what the notes exactly in the sheet.
You suggested glissando. For the sense, it's very cool; but I'm not wanting its proper playing method, just the sense only..

But what's the difference then? You don't want to use your thumb? Then don't do it. I don't see a problem in adding it like this. And don't tell me you want to play that like a scale. Not in that short time. Really, you should just use it.
Just what the notes on the sheet, not normal glissando (not frequent enough).

People could interpret that wrong, that's why this is not frequent. I don't know what you want. And when you ask me what a glissando is, well...as long as you don't know, why do you want to know single notes? In a real glissando there aren't any. Think of a synthesizer. You can change pitch on it by turning a control knob. On piano, you try the same by sliding up or down on your keyboard. Does that help? What you're doing on your piano is playing a C major scale or a F sharp pentatonic, yeah, but that's not the same.



Uhm...I wanted to avoid this...thing. 11 thirty-second notes will break the fingers of many players. That'd be another place for a glissando maybe, but I think you don't like them. It's your choice.
Played as fast as the player can. You will see more these things later.

Again it's the MIDI. I didn't know you meant that. I've seen this in many pieces and it's kinda normal. Here it sounded a bit strange when I listened to it. It's ok...just wondering if "this" actually has a name. Couldn't find one...



What half notes? You mean the one at the beginning? If so, just hold for a bit time is fine. Don't forget they're in very high pitch, and what feature piano have on those notes.

Quintuplets and sextuplets: what's the problem?

1021-1063 is an extra part in the 5CD complete score. You won't find part of it in the movie.
The "worst" part. OK I think they are possible ideally, but I agree that they makes the sound strange, and a lot more difficult to play.
But .. really drop it? The effect producing a decreasing pitch of sound, which is one of the feature along the whole book.
I have thought on this: dropping is reasonable as now what we see, but can be something replaced in?
Dropping that "noise" will take away the harmony - just those drums only? Some trills in low pitch replace it maybe?

Tranquillo part, yes it's calm, only the MIDI not. Tremoli in the bass line should be very very quiet, ppp maybe, as what the soundtrack is, there's not nothing.
I will mark rubato.

The plan now: 1074-1077 and 1089-1097 will be changed.
For others, especially 1082-1088, still can't decide now. In fact part of it was changed when I was marking fingerings for this.

But one thing I would like you to know is that the MIDI made it crash EVEN HARDER. :P
Back on real pianos the sound is a lot better (not yet reach the normal standard maybe).
Drums and rhythm in MIDI is VERY UNCLEAR, which is NOT the supposed sound to live performance.



It's very difficult to make piano transcription of such music, I hope it will not be that bad as you hear now or expected after some edits.. :P

Yeah, that makes sense. Hold it until there's no sound anymore. :P

There's nothing wrong with them. I just asked myself how you can play them while you have that half note. Forget about it.

Is it? Didn't know. I'm sorry that I said it was bad, didn't know you took that part from somewhere else...it may not be that bad then. But the pitch makes it sound bad, you realized that as well.

The sound...I guess you can't do anything about it. Maybe you can keep it in. It's just that it doesn't sound good. Especially when you then change the rhythm of it as well. It's a good idea to drop it and to focus on the drums instead. And sure, at a low pitch note (that corresponds to the key signature?) to keep the whole thing exciting. Maybe there are also other ways. This is jiust because you cannot use this sound, it doesn't work as long as the melody is playing.

You changed 1082-88? I hope it's good. :P

Oh yes, rubato. The section was too rhythmic. The tremoli still bother me a bit though. You didn't include anything in that section except the voice - or let's say it sounds like that. The 3CD version has flute and other at 8:44. Plus the drum sound is kinda impossible to hear, but it's important. I see it as a little note in your score. Shouldn't you put accents on it? I think it's very important. Then, at the end, why did you at these triplets? I'd only keep the left hand upright and mark a morendo. Don't tell me it's on the soundtrack, I hear nothing.

Sorry, I know it's just a MIDI. But that's all I have. I have faith in this, I bet it will be good. And I'm looking forward to the next change. ;)



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Mark a ppp at 1171 maybe? Or is this clear to everyone, what do you think?

At 1200, the high F is held on CD. Fading into the next section. Would you make it longer then? Again, just what I think...oh, and one of these little flute thingies is missing at 1185/86. I think you forgot it. ;)

Another thing...your tempi don't show automatically how fast the pieces are, just the feeling. That's ok, but Con Spirito is, I think, though it's complicated, too slow. What about adding poco animato and increasing the tempo a bit?

Ritartando at 1249! It isn't added!

This will not make you happy, but I suggest it anyway. Especially in this track, many notes are played at the same time and sometimes at the same pitch. Couldn't you combine them then? You partly did (1218), but not everywhere. And if you say they got different lenght...that's not true, how can you play that? Not at all, so lenght can be combined too.

The Village - Jake's First Ride

A question that came up when I listened to this piece: Did you have a look at articulation already? This is a track full of stacattos... ::)

Tempi are ok, the only thing to mention is at 1300: I think the decrescendo is wrong, as well as the mezzopiano. This is a very loud part. You should use a forte (or even more) and drop the decrescendo. Maybe also add accelerando.

The Floating Mountains

The first part, it should be "The Plan", is well described through largo. I liked that a lot.

Your moderato animato sounds too fast in my ears. Which is quite bad because this track is very loud and heavy. Besides that, I'd mark misterioso at 1340. Really, it's too fast. Especially at the end.

The New Camp

Again it's too fast. 68 half notes are too much. And here's a trick: If you use moderato and the same tempo in the next track, just write L'istesso tempo (I love that expression!) :P
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2011, 11:21:09 am »
Sorry, didn't have time to reply until now.
I should tell you the same this time. :P

No I'm not talking about this kind of glissando, and this is the normal one.. but what the notes exactly in the sheet.
You suggested glissando. For the sense, it's very cool; but I'm not wanting its proper playing method, just the sense only..

But what's the difference then? You don't want to use your thumb? Then don't do it. I don't see a problem in adding it like this. And don't tell me you want to play that like a scale. Not in that short time. Really, you should just use it.
Just what the notes on the sheet, not normal glissando (not frequent enough).

People could interpret that wrong, that's why this is not frequent. I don't know what you want. And when you ask me what a glissando is, well...as long as you don't know, why do you want to know single notes? In a real glissando there aren't any. Think of a synthesizer. You can change pitch on it by turning a control knob. On piano, you try the same by sliding up or down on your keyboard. Does that help? What you're doing on your piano is playing a C major scale or a F sharp pentatonic, yeah, but that's not the same.
So this is not the one I want, not wanting the real glissando..
But I want to create the effect of synthesizer or the sound in the original track by the notes I put in the sheet.



Uhm...I wanted to avoid this...thing. 11 thirty-second notes will break the fingers of many players. That'd be another place for a glissando maybe, but I think you don't like them. It's your choice.
Played as fast as the player can. You will see more these things later.

Again it's the MIDI. I didn't know you meant that. I've seen this in many pieces and it's kinda normal. Here it sounded a bit strange when I listened to it. It's ok...just wondering if "this" actually has a name. Couldn't find one...
Maybe just leave it as now we see.



What half notes? You mean the one at the beginning? If so, just hold for a bit time is fine. Don't forget they're in very high pitch, and what feature piano have on those notes.

Quintuplets and sextuplets: what's the problem?

1021-1063 is an extra part in the 5CD complete score. You won't find part of it in the movie.
The "worst" part. OK I think they are possible ideally, but I agree that they makes the sound strange, and a lot more difficult to play.
But .. really drop it? The effect producing a decreasing pitch of sound, which is one of the feature along the whole book.
I have thought on this: dropping is reasonable as now what we see, but can be something replaced in?
Dropping that "noise" will take away the harmony - just those drums only? Some trills in low pitch replace it maybe?

Tranquillo part, yes it's calm, only the MIDI not. Tremoli in the bass line should be very very quiet, ppp maybe, as what the soundtrack is, there's not nothing.
I will mark rubato.

The plan now: 1074-1077 and 1089-1097 will be changed.
For others, especially 1082-1088, still can't decide now. In fact part of it was changed when I was marking fingerings for this.

But one thing I would like you to know is that the MIDI made it crash EVEN HARDER. :P
Back on real pianos the sound is a lot better (not yet reach the normal standard maybe).
Drums and rhythm in MIDI is VERY UNCLEAR, which is NOT the supposed sound to live performance.



It's very difficult to make piano transcription of such music, I hope it will not be that bad as you hear now or expected after some edits.. :P

Yeah, that makes sense. Hold it until there's no sound anymore. :P

There's nothing wrong with them. I just asked myself how you can play them while you have that half note. Forget about it.

Is it? Didn't know. I'm sorry that I said it was bad, didn't know you took that part from somewhere else...it may not be that bad then. But the pitch makes it sound bad, you realized that as well.

The sound...I guess you can't do anything about it. Maybe you can keep it in. It's just that it doesn't sound good. Especially when you then change the rhythm of it as well. It's a good idea to drop it and to focus on the drums instead. And sure, at a low pitch note (that corresponds to the key signature?) to keep the whole thing exciting. Maybe there are also other ways. This is jiust because you cannot use this sound, it doesn't work as long as the melody is playing.

You changed 1082-88? I hope it's good. :P

Oh yes, rubato. The section was too rhythmic. The tremoli still bother me a bit though. You didn't include anything in that section except the voice - or let's say it sounds like that. The 3CD version has flute and other at 8:44. Plus the drum sound is kinda impossible to hear, but it's important. I see it as a little note in your score. Shouldn't you put accents on it? I think it's very important. Then, at the end, why did you at these triplets? I'd only keep the left hand upright and mark a morendo. Don't tell me it's on the soundtrack, I hear nothing.

Sorry, I know it's just a MIDI. But that's all I have. I have faith in this, I bet it will be good. And I'm looking forward to the next change. ;)
Keep it constant or a bit sliding down maybe OK. I will try this later.

Focusing the drums is good, but I think we can't drop the low pitch sound completely, the tension there is quite strong..
Play the drums louder might be the solution.

They aren't tremoli really, just 16th notes, I don't have enough space to put them all into the sheet.
Tremolo to be played as fast as the player can are marked 32th or 64th's..

The flute - check right hand part of 1106-1109 again..
Accents - OK, thanks for reminding.
The last phrase - I wanted to create the sliding down effect, probably the one in the sheet is failed. Any idea to improve it?



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Mark a ppp at 1171 maybe? Or is this clear to everyone, what do you think?

At 1200, the high F is held on CD. Fading into the next section. Would you make it longer then? Again, just what I think...oh, and one of these little flute thingies is missing at 1185/86. I think you forgot it. ;)

Another thing...your tempi don't show automatically how fast the pieces are, just the feeling. That's ok, but Con Spirito is, I think, though it's complicated, too slow. What about adding poco animato and increasing the tempo a bit?

Ritartando at 1249! It isn't added!

This will not make you happy, but I suggest it anyway. Especially in this track, many notes are played at the same time and sometimes at the same pitch. Couldn't you combine them then? You partly did (1218), but not everywhere. And if you say they got different lenght...that's not true, how can you play that? Not at all, so lenght can be combined too.
I think the ppp should be hidden and to be felt by the player.

Yes there are some flute (piccolo) part missed, but please check the updated scanning in the post I awake this thread..
OK a half note more for the high F.

I am listing the tempi as I heard in the tracks. Changes are depended on the player's mind..
Checking is them same as the original is enough..

It is natural for a track like this to have ritardando at the end. OK. adding..

The Village - Jake's First Ride

A question that came up when I listened to this piece: Did you have a look at articulation already? This is a track full of stacattos... ::)

Tempi are ok, the only thing to mention is at 1300: I think the decrescendo is wrong, as well as the mezzopiano. This is a very loud part. You should use a forte (or even more) and drop the decrescendo. Maybe also add accelerando.
No legato means that.. the part is not too detached to me.

Decrescendo is needed, it is much more softer after the raising, but it will be better to place it later..

The Floating Mountains

The first part, it should be "The Plan", is well described through largo. I liked that a lot.

Your moderato animato sounds too fast in my ears. Which is quite bad because this track is very loud and heavy. Besides that, I'd mark misterioso at 1340. Really, it's too fast. Especially at the end.
Yes, I combined them. This is the later "The Plan" - the one after direhorse riding (should be before, originally.)

Again it is what the track is.. but I will check it if it really too fast on piano.
Misterioso is a good idea. Scheduled.

The New Camp

Again it's too fast. 68 half notes are too much. And here's a trick: If you use moderato and the same tempo in the next track, just write L'istesso tempo (I love that expression!) :P
Very good! ;)
That's definitely what I want, thanks!



I found that I'm totally understated the time required for version 4. I can averagely complete 1.5 pages per day only for marking fingerings, excluding digital input.
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2011, 06:06:52 am »
There may be no more people remember this, and myself, :'( but it's still the time to record the progress here..

Well, version 4 is far more complicated than I thought of, and because of the US trip I can't do anything on July,
but now I'm telling you that fingerings for Part 1 (tracks 1-22) is entirely completed.

Also, during this long time I finally decide to make this more complete, that is arranged some remaining tracks:
1. The mixed music (found in movie only) used when forming war party against the bulldozers, and Jake fight with Tsu'tey
2. "Grace's Death" - edit based on Deluxe Edition.
3. Add "Quartich Takes Over" and "Battle Plan".

These will fill the gap between tracks 23, 24 and 35, 36..
Item 1 completely arranged today, my hands are still OK at writing the notes. ::)

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2011, 09:36:00 am »
No one remembering this? I remember your work quite well! The truth is...something was going on in my life, several things when I wanted to reply to you and then I just thought of leaving it because I was too lazy to comment on your work. So...great that you're still working on this! If I find some time soon, I'm going to take a closer look again. :)
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2011, 09:46:48 am »
Besides you. :)
I seems that you're the only one few seeing what's going on inside the project..
The MIDI are currently still that bad so others don't know this project maybe?

Your things are always more important to you than this.
'Ivong nìk'ong. Recently I've estimated version 7 will be released at least 3 months later..
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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2011, 09:55:07 am »
Besides you. :)
I seems that you're the only one seeing what's going on inside the project..

I've been following your project too, in a more discrete manner. ;) Though I don't feel like I have the expertise to comment on your music sheets. hihi :-[ Anyways, I'm also glad to know you're going further with this! :D

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Re: Complete Score (3rd ver.)
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2011, 10:06:30 am »
That true too..
I better do it faster.. There maybe nothing to make any reply if no updates here.

Sitting before the piano is very tired, just want to leave after an hour,
especially when there's no way or too many ways to play the several notes..
Arrange a track.. not a problem for 4+ hours a day. :P
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