Flame wars

[ExLibrisMortis]

Your mansion is but a vain hope in an attempt to show to the world what little you really have in terms of self-worth, and almost ample evidence of your self-loathing. To have invested that amount of resources and materials, such as would allow for many other respectable person to live, in that vain display of haughtiness, is pure rubbish.

[MrGoodbytes]

I like my karma beans.... +1 karma bean for ExLibrisMortis

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Your mansion is but a vain hope in an attempt to show to the world what little you really have in terms of self-worth, and almost ample evidence of your self-loathing. To have invested that amount of resources and materials, such as would allow for many other respectable person to live, in that vain display of haughtiness, is pure rubbish.

Ah, these old power games, just trying to assert your strength over one who is clearly your superior.

[ExLibrisMortis]

Superior? In what my dear chap? Superior in the amount of worldly wealth in which a person such as yourself would value so much? In that regards, then yes sir, you are superior. Yet my superiority over you cannot be measure by mere marble and fine wood. My superiority is measure by the lashes on your face in which my sharp tongue will most joyfully be obliged to allow you to receive.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Superior? In what my dear chap? Superior in the amount of worldly wealth in which a person such as yourself would value so much? In that regards, then yes sir, you are superior. Yet my superiority over you cannot be measure by mere marble and fine wood. My superiority is measure by the lashes on your face in which my sharp tongue will most joyfully be obliged to allow you to receive.

My dear fellow, is it not true that money is the most easily quantifiable and objectifiable measure of ones success in life? Good works are all very well (and I have done many) but they are almost as subjective as the merits of marmite whereas money is incredibly objective, like how horrendous those trousers look with your blue skin. Good works are also impossible to quantify, I cannot say that I have done over 9000 good works, and even if I did, what would it mean, what is the unit of charity? Charity is measured in money and, as mentioned before I have accumulated much of this and have done many good works with it. This wood and marble may seem unnecessary to you but I ask you, is a man not justified in taking some reward for his pains in helping others? If a man lose an arm saving another's life, is he not justified in finding means to get a prosthetic at little expense to himself? Is it not right that good doers are rewarded? If good doers are not rewarded in manners such as this then the incentive to do good is lessened and fewer people will take up the occupation of good doing as I have. It is clear then, to any sane person that what I am actually doing in rewarding myself so is itself an act of charity, in paying for myself to live in such opulent conditions I encourage others to do good works and so, indirectly, even that that I do that does not directly help others, helps others.

You claim to speak from a position of moral superiority for my acts of 'feathering my own nest' as I'm sure you would put it and then you threaten to make "lashes on [my] face" with "[your] sharp tongue", this seems, not so much the act of a saint or anyone who possesses any moral high ground but rather the act of a vindictive and arrogant vigilante whose attempts to flaunt the law and all morals supposedly in their name lowers him to the level of the people he claims to condemn. Anyone from any objective standpoint can clearly see that such a man is the one feathering his nest rather than the man who does good and happens to build an opulent mansion for himself in the process and such a man as he who behaves like this vigilante should suffer his own slings and arrows before he unleashes them upon another.

Even an atheist could see the moral superiority in a man who follows the maxim spoken by Jesus "he who is without sin let him cast the first stone", I do not claim to be without sin and so do not cast any stones before another but the position taken by the aforementioned vigilante clearly shows, by his act of casting the first stone on those he perceives as morally inferior, that he considers him to be without sin, this is clearly a fabrication, no man is without sin, if a man tells you that he is without sin, he reveals his too you for his sins are pride and dishonesty and, when he is finally made to face his pride through failures he should do as was common practice in certain older, civilised cultures and throw himself on his sword, if he happened to forget to bring a sword, I or any other upstanding citizen surely, would be happy to oblige him.

Your position morally is clearly akin to that of an operative who steals, and kills and tortures in the name of a cause he believes to be right that he believes will, by virtue of its advantages, absolve him of the sins he commits and forgiving him of his true nature as a monster. Like such an operative, your moral stance is untenable and you require somebody else to show to you that your cause will not work, that man is not good, that men are ultimately evil and that those who do good do so for their own benefit not to help others and so, that they reward themselves with mansions is only natural and to be expected and is by no means wrong.

Like macbeth you stand, convinced of your right to your vigilantism through pride but, I like Macduff I must end your pride and reign of terror over those who would do good.

- Summer Glau

[ExLibrisMortis]

((Z-O-M-G... I, sir, bow to your superiority. Karma points are to be had... many lul'z @ summer glau))

[agent1022]

Unfortunately by speaking through words that are not your own you invalidate your argument. By taking another's phrases, another's speeches and another's ideas you are effectively obfuscating your own opinion, your own words, your own thoughts and ideas. You may have a link to the ideas presented, or you may disagree completely. Or you may even in fact feel that the words are meaningless and the thoughts are the importance represented. But I say, and this is my thought, my opinion, that you do not actually feel very strongly on this subject.

Of course, there is the media. How can I say that I have my own thoughts and opinions when they have been shaped by years of nurture in a sensationalist and biased media? How can I say that being presented with conflicting opinions will result in my own decision? Of course, the standard everyman, led by the nose in his conforming way, would side with that which gave him the more emotional impact. Not through reason, not through logic, but by emotion, one of the most volatile elements of the mind known to man.

Am I saying that I do not conform? I would scarcely be aware of it were I not, would I? Consciousness is relative and so is sense perception. What I perceive as red, as good, as dangerous, you may see as blue, as bad, as safe. Each person lives in their own personal universe which only through conformity may sync with others. Well, dissonance is bliss. But that, once again, is in itself a conformism. There is no escape.

So yes, I am also doing precisely the same thing as you are - disguising my own views with a lot of Theory of Knowledge.

[Tsamsiyu Atsteu]

I would participate, but my dad told me never to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Unfortunately by speaking through words that are not your own you invalidate your argument. By taking another's phrases, another's speeches and another's ideas you are effectively obfuscating your own opinion, your own words, your own thoughts and ideas. You may have a link to the ideas presented, or you may disagree completely. Or you may even in fact feel that the words are meaningless and the thoughts are the importance represented. But I say, and this is my thought, my opinion, that you do not actually feel very strongly on this subject.

Of course, there is the media. How can I say that I have my own thoughts and opinions when they have been shaped by years of nurture in a sensationalist and biased media? How can I say that being presented with conflicting opinions will result in my own decision? Of course, the standard everyman, led by the nose in his conforming way, would side with that which gave him the more emotional impact. Not through reason, not through logic, but by emotion, one of the most volatile elements of the mind known to man.

Am I saying that I do not conform? I would scarcely be aware of it were I not, would I? Consciousness is relative and so is sense perception. What I perceive as red, as good, as dangerous, you may see as blue, as bad, as safe. Each person lives in their own personal universe which only through conformity may sync with others. Well, dissonance is bliss. But that, once again, is in itself a conformism. There is no escape.

So yes, I am also doing precisely the same thing as you are - disguising my own views with a lot of Theory of Knowledge.

You may be disguising, I merely support.

I would participate, but my dad told me never to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent

And I thank you for coming here to allow us to follow his advice.

[Tíngay outíngay]

I find your ability to repeat others simply amazing my good man, have you considered a career as perhaps a Parrot? from what i have seen you are almost as good as they are at copying.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

I find your ability to repeat others simply amazing my good man, have you considered a career as perhaps a Parrot? from what i have seen you are almost as good as they are at copying.

My good fellow, if I were to be a parrot, you may be sure I would not speak for you.

[Tíngay outíngay]

That is okay my man, i have no need of the services of another parrot, i find my own voice sufficient, but if you are that desperate for money i can give you a quick loan... interest free of course for one in the situation you appear to be in.

[kewnya txamew'itan]

I am perfectly capable of maintaining myself ma tìngay, and, unlike you I enjoy the pleasure of tongues other than my own.



OoC: maybe I should rephrase that. 

[Tíngay outíngay]

Ooc; it is a bit risque, but perhaps just leave it, it is a quite good insult, congratulations

Oh, my apologies my good man, i forgot that those without are often prideful, i will not intrude on your pride further my good man, however...

[kewnya txamew'itan]

My dear chap, surely we need not pollute our tongues with such insults, if you do, as I do, and refrain I dare say you shall soon find yourself better liked by your fellow man.

[Tíngay outíngay]

I prefer to be well liked by good women rather than other men, however, to each his own...

(i don;t mean it )

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Dear chap if you could not see that when I said "man" I was clearly referring to the human race as a whole and, in doing so, mean no disrespect to women, then you have been truly blinded by political correctness.

[Tíngay outíngay]

( i was making an oblique gay reference)

However, despite the fact that you meant no disrespect to women it still has you sleeping on the couch.

(sorry bout this but its the best i can come up with and im a bit tired)

[kewnya txamew'itan]

( i was making an oblique gay reference)

However, despite the fact that you meant no disrespect to women it still has you sleeping on the couch.

(sorry bout this but its the best i can come up with and im a bit tired)

Well I must say, your company has become even more irksome than the revision I am supposed to being doing and so, I shall.



OoC: I got it

[Niwantaw]

Well I'm sorry dear chaps but you're simply not worth my time