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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Tìtstewan on October 24, 2013, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: Tirea Aean on October 24, 2013, 10:53:25 PM
Did you get the version I beautified in my previous post?
If you mean this:
no, not that one.
I have the 'original' from the number website.


OH COOL! How do you have that? I suppose you just went into source view and grabbed it. Can I see that?

Tìtstewan


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Tirea Aean

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Quote from: Tìtstewan on October 24, 2013, 11:03:57 PM
http://s.learnnavi.org/js/jquery-1.10.2.min.js
BUT you will not have fun with it.

... That's THE JQuery library. :) More or less, JQuery itself. The code I posted is the JavaScript code that utilizes this library for the purpose of our page.

EDIT: The reason it's so spaghetti-fied is because this is the "min" (Miniature-ised) version. The original is much longer and more readable than this. They just shortened everything down as compact and as small as possible for slightly faster load times or added obscurity, I think.

Tìtstewan

Quote from: Tirea Aean on October 24, 2013, 11:04:41 PM
... That's THE JQuery library. :) More or less, JQuery itself.
o.@ interesting. I thought it where there...
I have to do a little digging...

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Tìtstewan

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So, I did a little testing, and the "thing" is somewhere in this code:

EDIT:
Why the select id is the same "word" (input_number) like the input id?
Code (html) Select
<h1 style="font-size: 1.5em;">Converter</h1>
<div id="numberthing">
<label for="input_number" style="font-weight:bold;">Number</label><input id="input_number" value="0" class="only_numbers"/><span id="input_error" style="color:red;">&nbsp;</span><br/>
<label for="input_number" style="font-weight:bold;">Number base</label><br/>
<select id="input_number">
<option value="10" selected>Human (Decimal / base 10)</option>
<option value="8">Na'vi (Octal / base 8)</option>
</select>


<input id="input_number" value="0"
<select id="input_number">

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Tirea Aean

I've edited the HTML on the page to match the IDs that the jQuery called for. That HTML Select Element should have had the id="input_radix" . IT works now! :D WOO!!

Tìtstewan

WOOOU!!1
The fixed code:
Code (html) Select
<label for="input_number" style="font-weight:bold;">Number</label><input id="input_number" value="0" class="only_numbers"/><span id="input_error" style="color:red;">&nbsp;</span><br/>
<label for="input_radix" style="font-weight:bold;">Number base</label><br/>
<select id="input_radix">
<option value="10" selected>Human (Decimal / base 10)</option>
<option value="8">Na'vi (Octal / base 8)</option>
</select>



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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Tìtstewan on October 25, 2013, 02:05:06 AM
WOOOU!!1
The fixed code:
Code (html) Select

<option value="8">Na'vi (Octal / base 8)</option>


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SMF feyl :3 The Forum software replacing text with smileys/links produces really funny results inside specified-language code tags. xD

Tìtstewan

HRH! ;D ;D ;D

TS + night in Tx + morning in De = awesome work^^

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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Tìtstewan on October 25, 2013, 02:08:21 AM
HRH! ;D ;D ;D

TS + night in Tx + morning in De = awesome work^^

+1 for helping out with this. :)

Tìtstewan

+1 for awesome work too!


Quote from: Tirea Aean on October 25, 2013, 02:06:42 AM
Quote from: Tìtstewan on October 25, 2013, 02:05:06 AM
WOOOU!!1
The fixed code:
Code (html) Select

<option value="8">Na'vi (Octal / base 8)</option>
The smilie creation is faster than the code..

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Tirea Aean

True. It kinda takes a long time for the Code UI to render. Sometimes for me, it doesn't load the Style at all except the font. Meh.

But yeah. Thread Issue solved. :)

EDIT: Post 7770! :o

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Tirea Aean

An error in the Number Converter has come to my attention and I have just now remembered to post about it.

It is known that zam, vozam, and zazam have short forms just like all the other numbers. They are za, voza, and zaza respectively, and like all other numbers they cause lenition. Here is what the number converter puts out for Octal 77777:

77777 base 8 is: "kizazamkivozamkizamkivohin"
( 7*8*8*8*8 )+( 7*8*8*8 )+( 7*8*8 )+( 7*8 )+7   
ki-zazam-ki-vozam-ki-zam-ki-vo--hin

It should be this:

kizazahivozahizahivohin
ki-zaza-hi-voza-hi-za-hi-vo--hin

Some more correct examples of how zam(o100), vozam(o1000), and zazam(o10000) should work:

zam(o100), zamaw(o101), zamun(o102), zapey(o103), zasìng(o104), ... zavol(o110). ... ... ...

zamevol(o120), zapevol(o130), zasìvol(o140), zamrrvol(o150), zafuvol(o160), zahivol(o170)....

vozam(o1000), vozamaw(o1001), vozamun(o1002), vozapey(o1003), vozasìng(o1004), vozamrr(o1005), vozafu(o1006), vozahin(o1007), vozavol(o1010)....

vozamevol(o1020), vozapevol(o1030), vozasìvol(o1040), vozamrrvol(o1050), vozafuvol(o1060), vozahivol(o1070)....

zazam(o10000), zazamaw(o10001), zazamun(o10002), zazapey(o10003), zazasìng(o10004), zazamrr(o10005), zazafu(o10006), zazahin(o10007), zazavol(o10010)....

zazamevol(o10020), zazapevol(o10030), zazasìvol(o10040), zazamrrvol(o10050), zazafuvol(o10060), zazahivol(o10070)....

zazazam(o10100), zazazamaw(o10101), zazazamun(o10102), zazazapey(o10103), zazazasìng(o10104), zazazamrr(o10105), zazazafu(o10106), zazazahin(o10107), zazazavol(o10110)...

zazazamevol(o1120), zazazapevol(o10130), zazazasìvol(o10140), zazazamrrvol(o10150), zazazafuvol(10160), zazazahivol(o10170)...

zazamezam(o10200), zazapezam(o10300), zazasìzam(o10400), zazamrrzam(o10500), zazafuzam(o10600), zazahizam(10700), zazavozam(o11000)

zazavozamaw(o11001), zazavozamun(o11002), zazavozapey(o11003), zazavozasìng(o11004), zazavozamrr(o11005), zazavozafu(o11006), zazavozahin(o11007), zazavozavol(o11010)....

zazavozazam(o11100), zazamevozazam(o12100), zazapevozazam(o13100), zazasìvozazam(o14100), zazamrrvozazam(o15100), zazafuvozazam(o16100), zazahivozazam(o17100)...

and so on and so on and so on. But I think the most clear example is the 77777 one from above. Compare these octal values here to what the site gives you. [ http://www.learnnavi.org/navi-numbers/ ]

I have looked at the Javascript again, but I see no easy way of fixing this because of how it was implemented... :S

Tìtstewan

Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 05, 2014, 09:50:12 PM
An error in the Number Converter has come to my attention and I have just now remembered to post about it.

77777 base 8 is: "kizazamkivozamkizamkivohin"
( 7*8*8*8*8 )+( 7*8*8*8 )+( 7*8*8 )+( 7*8 )+7   
ki-zazam-ki-vozam-ki-zam-ki-vo--hin

It should be this:

kizazahivozahizahivohin
ki-zaza-hi-voza-hi-za-hi-vo--hin
from the examples from Pawl,
Quote from: http://naviteri.org/2014/03/value-and-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-2669100 (64) = zam
101 = zamaw (za.MAW)
102 = zamun (za.MUN)
103 = zapey (za.PEY)
104 = zasìng (za.SÌNG)
105 = zamrr (za.MRR)
106 = zafu (za.FU)
107 = zahin (za.HIN)
110 = zavol (ZA.vol)
111 = zavolaw (za.vo.LAW)
It loooks that za- and also voza- and zaza- cause lenition. But I would love to see an example from Pawl. ...something like:
°270 = 184 mezahivol

Yeah, that is clearly that Javascript thing... :S :S

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Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 05, 2014, 09:50:12 PM
An error in the Number Converter has come to my attention and I have just now remembered to post about it.

It is known that zam, vozam, and zazam have short forms just like all the other numbers. They are za, voza, and zaza respectively, and like all other numbers they cause lenition. Here is what the number converter puts out for Octal 77777:

77777 base 8 is: "kizazamkivozamkizamkivohin"
( 7*8*8*8*8 )+( 7*8*8*8 )+( 7*8*8 )+( 7*8 )+7   
ki-zazam-ki-vozam-ki-zam-ki-vo--hin

It should be this:

kizazahivozahizahivohin
ki-zaza-hi-voza-hi-za-hi-vo--hin
Where this information come from?
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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Blue Elf on August 06, 2014, 05:34:19 AM
Where this information come from?

See Tìtstewan's post above. We have direct evidence from Na'viteri of a short form for zam. It is za+. It then just follows by logic that there must exist voza+ and zaza+. All is well with the universe now. All numbers have a non-consonant-final lenition-causing short form. (mrr is its own) I found it a very strange and horrible inconsistency that zam, vozam, and zazam didn't have a non-consonant-final lenition-causing short form.

Blue Elf

Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 06, 2014, 05:52:25 AM
Quote from: Blue Elf on August 06, 2014, 05:34:19 AM
Where this information come from?

See Tìtstewan's post above. We have direct evidence from Na'viteri of a short form for zam. It is za+. It then just follows by logic that there must exist voza+ and zaza+. All is well with the universe now. All numbers have a non-consonant-final lenition-causing short form. (mrr is its own) I found it a very strange and horrible inconsistency that zam, vozam, and zazam didn't have a non-consonant-final lenition-causing short form.
Maybe another theme for LEP.... taking note
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Tirea Aean

#38
Eh? But.. It's obvious.

Would it really make sense to have absolute confirmation of zam -> za+ but yet think that vozam and zazam don't shorten to lenition-causing forms in the same way as zam so that they too will be like every single other number? O__0

OK I guess explicit confirmation won't hurt at all. :-\

Tìtstewan

I think he means something like this: za-, voza- and zaza- cause lenition - clearly by Pawl.
There is the question if one writes e.g. zakivol or zahivol (lenition of a number prefix) I think as xza- lenite the lenitable consonants (shown by Pawl) one would write zakivol as zahivol.

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