2 questions about genitive

[Kemaweyan]

Ok, how do you think, we should say Fìkelku lu oeyä or Fìkelku lu oeyä pum? In my opinion first one is quite clear to understand the meaning and we don't need any other words (like pum).

In other words, is it possible to use words in genitive without any other nouns of pronouns?

[Tirea Aean]

Are you sure it is correct:

Ngeyä kelku lu apxa, ki oeyä pum lu hì'i - Your house is big, but mine is small.

Shouldn't we use slä in this case?

yes. ki means "but instead," and is used in structures like:

ke lu poru zekwä atsìng ki amrr
he has not four fingers but instead (has) five.

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fìtsenge lu awngeyä! - Tsu'tey

But we also have Ngeyä kxetse lu oer! So...  *shrug*

"your tail is mine" is a very rough english translation of that. its meaning is more accurately "Your tail i have."

Ok, how do you think, we should say Fìkelku lu oeyä or Fìkelku lu oeyä pum? In my opinion first one is quite clear to understand the meaning and we don't need any other words (like pum).

In other words, is it possible to use words in genitive without any other nouns of pronouns?

I agree, but i think somehow it feels more grammatical to have something there. idk...

[Ataeghane]

I agree, but i think somehow it feels more grammatical to have something there. idk...

The same I think. IMHO using pronoun only is quite ok.

[omängum fra'uti]

We only have one example of that though, and it is from movie dialog that was shortenes. I would say that it is colloquially accepted in some situations at best; but right now the best we can do is guess.

[Ataeghane]

But notice that adding pum does not change anything and may be completely omitable.

[Kemaweyan]

Not always.. We can't say Ngeyä kelku lu apxa to pum oeyä without pum

[Ataeghane]

In that case you must use it, just because you can't stick to to oeyä. Some noun is necessary. But tsaw lu ngeyä pum seems to be artificial and unnecessarily long and I think tsaw lu ngey is better.

[Tirea Aean]

In that case you must use it, just because you can't stick to to oeyä. Some noun is necessary. But tsaw lu ngeyä pum seems to be artificial and unnecessarily long and I think tsaw lu ngey is better.

tsaw lu ngey sounds organic and colloquial.

[Ataeghane]

Probably a little. Is it wrong?

[omängum fra'uti]

Right now we don't know if it is right or wrong... But if it is acceptable, I'd say colloquially only, but not formally.