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Quotebut I don't know why it is "sìfmetokit"
Sìfmetok or aysìfmetok is the plural of tìfmetok.
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I see it :)
fmetok wasn't a noun that I've thought.
It was a verb ... So ti is a noun infix :) Thank you, ma frapo :)


Quote from: marcin1509 on November 12, 2015, 04:03:41 PM
It was a verb ... So ti is a noun infix :) Thank you, ma frapo :)

Prefix but yes, you recognised that correctly ;) a word beginning with tì- (or the short plural form sì-) is usually a noun. Beware though that you cannot make up your own noun from a verb. Because the meaning is unpredictable you can only use the tì- nouns that are in the dictionary.
Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it ;)

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Quote from: marcin1509 on November 12, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
Why "I have passed the tests" in Na'vi is "sìfmetokit emzola'u ohel" not another ?
I see that it's emz<ol>a'u, but I don't know why it is "sìfmetokit". I know also that "it" is a patientive case.
"Ohe" is "oe" ceremonial.

You have just run across another interesting grammar rule in Na'vi: Lenition. And lenition also has an interesting effect on certain plural words.

'Test' (noun) is tìfmetok. To get 'tests', you would add the (four or more, or indefinite) plural marker ay+. Any time you see a + after an affix, that means that this affix causes lenition. Lenition is the change in the beginning of the following word, caused by the previous word or affix (which I will explain briefly after this example). In this particular case, it causes the inital /t/ in tìfmetok to become an /s/. So, 'tests' is aysìfmetok. In the case of ay+ plurals, there is a shortcut, referred to here as a 'short plural', where the /ay/ is dropped off, but the lenited first letter of the affected word remains. Short plurals are only used in cases where adding the ay+ (and no other plural parker) would cause lenition, as in this case. This isl important to learn, as it is very commonly used. (It is also perfectly correct to use the long plural form, such as in my Na'vi name, and this was a deliberate decision when I created it.) So, the short plural form of aysìfmetok is simply sìfmetok.

The purpose of lenition is to improve articulation of sounds, especially in fast speech.

Lenition rules:  When you see the + after an affix or adposition in the dictionary, it affects the following word's first letter in the following way: /px/, /tx/ and /kx/ (the ejective consonants) become /p/, /t/, and /k/, respectively. /p/, /t/ and /k/ become /f/, /s/ and /h/, respectively. /ts/ becomes /s/. And the glottal stop, /'/, disappears. However, in the case that the letter following the glottal stop is a pseudovowel /ll/ or /rr/, the glottal stop does not disappear, as a pseudovowel must always have a consonant before it, even at the beginning of a word. In this particular case, you cannot use the short plural form of such a word. Thus, if you wanted to use the plural of 'llngo, 'hip', it would be ay'llngo, not *llngo. (When you see a star before a word pr phrase here, that generally means there is something gramatically wrong with the word/sentence, and it is being shown as an example).  No other letters are affected.

The lenition rules are important, as lenition happens quite frequently, and can catch you off-guard. That's the bad news. The good news is, this is all the rules there are for lenition, and they are easy to learn and remember, with even a little practice.

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You did quite good job!
Quote from: marcin1509 on November 10, 2015, 12:18:56 PM
Hello :)
I have tried to write some sentences in Na'vi recently. I've written something like that :
Na'vi eltur tìtxen si.
Perfectly correct.
Lu oeru meylan kipNa'vi.
Correct - except missing space after kip. Note, that adposition in front of noun is separated by space. But you can put it at the end of noun and in this case there's no space:
Lu oeru meylan kip Na'vi = Lu oeru meylan Na'vikip. (I have two friends among Na'vi)
Smon oeru IMHO doesn't fit here well - it means (someone) is known to me, I'm familiar with someone. It would give sense in example like Smon oer mesute kip Na'vi - I know two people among Na'vi.
Smon oer meylan kip Na'vi sounds to me as: I know two friends among Na'vi - so you know two Na'vi, who are friends, but they aren't YOUR friends.

Sunu oeru lì'fya näpume.
Nume itself is intransitive, so <äp> gives no sense here. Correct is: Sunu oer fwa ftia (ay)lì'fyati, or (more complicated): Lì'fyari fwa nume oeru sunu (lit: As for languages, that I learn is pleasant to me). However I'm not very sure whether this second example is fully correct.
Lu poru kemi.
It's an awesome action (about a language and community).
As already said, correct is Fìkem lu txantsan - This action is great/awesome/etc.

I think you are on correct way - good luck!
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