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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2012, 01:56:46 pm »
What cases should I use when I want to say e.g. "Teach me your ways"?

Kar oeru ngeyä fya'ot.
or
Ngeyä fya'ori kar oeti.
or any other combination?

The first one.

The structure for kar, I believe, is the same as that of tìng:

Karyul numeyuru säomumit kar

And it was confirmed here http://forum.learnnavi.org/news-announcements/christmas-song-ninavi-on-youtube/

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ngal keiar oeru futa
meoauniaeal
frakrr awngati fmereial

EDIT: Although that second one could probably maybe work too.

I think no. If direct object of kar is the subject of teaching, then it can't be a person :)
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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2012, 12:05:48 pm »
Yes, thanks to both of you.

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And it was confirmed here http://forum.learnnavi.org/news-announcements/christmas-song-ninavi-on-youtube/
I believe it would be much simpler if the whole of our knowledge was put somewhere in one place. It'd be much easier to browse.

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2012, 03:10:54 pm »
Yes, thanks to both of you.

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And it was confirmed here http://forum.learnnavi.org/news-announcements/christmas-song-ninavi-on-youtube/
I believe it would be much simpler if the whole of our knowledge was put somewhere in one place. It'd be much easier to browse.

you mean like the Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'i document? Our Wiki is supposed to satisfy that need as well..

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2012, 04:30:25 pm »
Pretty much like Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi, but do we find there these particular rule about how to use "kar" there?

Oer wivìntxu ngal oey keyeyt krr a tse'a sat. Frakrr.

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2012, 04:35:13 pm »
well I mostly just assumed it's used the same way as in English, same as give and ask. And it turned out to be so.

Teacher teaches something to a student.
Giver gives something to a recipient.
Asker asks someone a question.

I think there should maybe be a post or entry in there that includes all the verbs which can have this structure:

Agent [vtr.] dative patient.

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2012, 07:02:35 pm »
Pretty much like Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi, but do we find there these particular rule about how to use "kar" there?

That belongs in a dictionary well-stocked with examples.
'Awa lì'fya ke tam kawkrr.
A Na'vi Reference Grammar

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2012, 07:28:44 pm »
Pretty much like Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi, but do we find there these particular rule about how to use "kar" there?

That belongs in a dictionary well-stocked with examples.

Which makes me wonder if there is a nice pretty way to add examples to the current dictionary... Doesn't appear to be... I mean, we could, but it would just look like each word has a massive definition.

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2012, 04:50:32 am »
Pretty much like Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi, but do we find there these particular rule about how to use "kar" there?

That belongs in a dictionary well-stocked with examples.

Which makes me wonder if there is a nice pretty way to add examples to the current dictionary... Doesn't appear to be... I mean, we could, but it would just look like each word has a massive definition.

There was a brief discussion in the dictionary thread about that and I believe William showed part of an entry how he imagined it.

I would very much like to see that. Especially with more and more intricate grammatical features that are unfamiliar to people it’s a good way to check up on the usage (something that dict-navi.com tries to achieve over time with example sentences). It’s a messy work but in the end I think we all will gain from it. Not every entry needs an example, mind you but with verbs, I think, it’s essential.

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2012, 07:03:54 am »
Pretty much like Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi, but do we find there these particular rule about how to use "kar" there?

That belongs in a dictionary well-stocked with examples.

Which makes me wonder if there is a nice pretty way to add examples to the current dictionary... Doesn't appear to be... I mean, we could, but it would just look like each word has a massive definition.

There was a brief discussion in the dictionary thread about that and I believe William showed part of an entry how he imagined it.

I would very much like to see that. Especially with more and more intricate grammatical features that are unfamiliar to people it’s a good way to check up on the usage (something that dict-navi.com tries to achieve over time with example sentences). It’s a messy work but in the end I think we all will gain from it. Not every entry needs an example, mind you but with verbs, I think, it’s essential.


And with things like a

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Re: Na'vi Linguistics: Case
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2012, 08:56:01 pm »
I know of what example you refer to, and it is impresive. Wm Annis's suggestion for an alternative dictionary format is awesome. I am also working on adopting something similar for the Dothraki dictionary.

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