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Na'vi Linguistics: Free Word Order

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Tirea Aean:

--- Quote from: Kì’onga Vul on January 03, 2011, 08:59:51 am ---Actually, I posted here before Sxkxawng made the Prosody thread. :P

But thanks for the responses.  Lucky me, I guess, that I don't have to worry much about rhythm, which I think is the most elusive part of a foreign language.

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just stress of a word. otherwise you would put the wrong emPHAsis on the wrong syLABble and it sounds weird and is hard to understand. ;P

Kì’onga Vul:

--- Quote from: Tirea Aean on January 03, 2011, 06:26:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: Kì’onga Vul on January 03, 2011, 08:59:51 am ---Actually, I posted here before Sxkxawng made the Prosody thread. :P

But thanks for the responses.  Lucky me, I guess, that I don't have to worry much about rhythm, which I think is the most elusive part of a foreign language.

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just stress of a word. otherwise you would put the wrong emPHAsis on the wrong syLABble and it sounds weird and is hard to understand. ;P

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I know, it's strange how the stress from a word in one language can carry over to another.
For example, in Chinese, I used to pronounce the word for fifty as "wúshi," retaining the first-syllable stress of fifty.  Really, the word should read more like "wŭshí."  (Those tones strike again!)  Fortunately, I don't think I've had this type of trouble with Na'vi so far, but then again I haven't spoken it aloud very much.

Neyn'ite Te Tsahìk Txeptsyìp'ite:
basically what you're saying is that Na'vi sentences are free word order but to a certain point, that some things have rules to where they go. as in, tute kawng- evil person- person being first because the noun goes before the describing word, srane?

Blue Elf:

--- Quote from: Neyn'ite Te Tsahìk Txeptsyìp'ite on September 07, 2011, 08:13:41 pm ---basically what you're saying is that Na'vi sentences are free word order but to a certain point, that some things have rules to where they go. as in, tute kawng- evil person- person being first because the noun goes before the describing word, srane?

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this is not good example, as you can use both kawnga tute and tute akawng (don't forget attributive -a-)

Tirea Aean:
current restrictions against "FREE" word order:

1. ke must always go directly before the verb, kea must go before its noun.

2. Attributive/non-predicative adjectives must either go directly before or directly after the noun they describe:

--- Quote from: Blue Elf on September 08, 2011, 01:00:53 am ---Spoiler: snip
--- Quote from: Neyn'ite Te Tsahìk Txeptsyìp'ite on September 07, 2011, 08:13:41 pm ---basically what you're saying is that Na'vi sentences are free word order but to a certain point, that some things have rules to where they go. as in, tute kawng- evil person- person being first because the noun goes before the describing word, srane?

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this is not good example, as you can use both kawnga tute and tute akawng (don't forget attributive -a-)

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3. Possessives/genitives must either go before directly before or directly after their possessed noun, except that an adjective describing the noun may come in between if necessary:

oeyä 'eylan = 'eylan oeyä,
oeyä sìltsana 'eylan = 'eylan asìltsan oeyä

4. Ma must go directly before the name who is being addressed.

5. Srak(e) may (as far as I know) only go either at the very beginning or very end of a yes/no question.

6. The words ko and nang must only go at the end of the sentence.

7. Modal verbs can only come somewhere before the secondary verb; the secondary verb cannot happen somewhere before the modal:

nga yivom tsun = wrong
tsun nga yivom / nga tsun yivom / tsun yivom nga = correct forms.

As far as I can remember off the top of my head, these are the known word order restrictions.

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