Three attempts

Started by Tìlu, February 24, 2015, 09:01:04 PM

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Tìlu

Just doing small attempts, and picking apart sentences I've found and changing them even if it's small.

Oe-l plltxe nì-Na'vi.
I speak Na'vi.

Oe-l tìyawn nga.
OR
Oe-l tìyawn nga-ti.
I love you.
(note: it's to a friend)
(i'm not sure on which, if it's correct.)

Oe-ri s<ol>alew zìsìt a-mevosìng.
I'm 20 years old.

Tìtstewan

Quote from: Tìlu on February 24, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
Just doing small attempts, and picking apart sentences I've found and changing them even if it's small.

Oe-l plltxe nì-Na'vi.
I speak Na'vi.
Oe plltxe nìNa'vi.
I speak na'vily/in Na'vi way.

Quote from: Tìlu on February 24, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
Oe-l tìyawn nga.
OR
Oe-l tìyawn nga-ti.

I love you.
(note: it's to a friend)
(i'm not sure on which, if it's correct.)
tìyawn means love as noun.

"I love you" has a special construction in Na'vi:
Nga yawne lu oer(u).
lit.: You are beloved to me.
I love you.

Quote from: Tìlu on February 24, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
Oe-ri s<ol>alew zìsìt a-mevosìng.
I'm 20 years old.
Correct. :)

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Tìlu

so close on that first one. :)

And that seems odd to me, but I'll make note for that.

And I'm glad that last one is correct. :D

Plumps

Step by step it will be more and more ;)
Don't worry about it! To try is to succeed. :)

Tìlu

I'm not worrying, just wanting to make sure I'm getting it right instead of wondering whether it's right or wrong ma Plumps. :D

Blue Elf

Quote from: Tìlu on February 24, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
Just doing small attempts, and picking apart sentences I've found and changing them even if it's small.

Oe-l plltxe nì-Na'vi.
I speak Na'vi.

Oe-l tìyawn nga.
OR
Oe-l tìyawn nga-ti.
I love you.
(note: it's to a friend)
(i'm not sure on which, if it's correct.)

Oe-ri s<ol>alew zìsìt a-mevosìng.
I'm 20 years old.
To decide whether you need to use -l/-ìl + -t/-ti/-it endings you can use dictionary.
Verb marked vtr. is transitive and needs these endings (in general, in some cases even these do not require them - when speaking in general)
Example: Oel yom payoangit vs. Oe yom
If verb is marked vin., it is intransitive and case endings aren't used (as such verb does not take direct object)
And if verb is marked just v., we are not sure what to do, we still need explanation whether it is vtr. or vin.
you can also find vtrm. (verb is modal and vtr.), vim. (verb is modal and vin.) and svin (stative vin., such verb contain lu (be) inside - like lìm - to be at a distance)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Tìlu

I'll make note of that ma Blue Elf, and thanks for explaining it a bit as well. Just kind of gets confusing sometimes.

And question, could you combine: Oeru syaw Tìlu. And this: Oeri solalew zìsìt amevosìng.
As this: Oeru syaw Tìlu ulte oeri solalew zìsìt amevosìng. ?

Tìtstewan

Why not?
ulte connects two sentences like your example. :)

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Kemaweyan

Just one remark:

  Oeru syaw fko Tìlu.
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Tìlu

I've seen both with fko and without fko. I know in the one course on Memrise the Na'vi as oeru syaw (fko) Txewì. So I've just used it without so far, but I could use it with fko if it's more correct.

Tìtstewan

Quote from: Kemaweyan on February 25, 2015, 02:46:29 PM
Just one remark:

  Oeru syaw fko Tìlu.
I believe fko is optional and can be guessed by context.
Quote from: http://naviteri.org/2010/09/getting-to-know-you-part-3/33. My name is Txewì.
Oeru syaw (fko) Txewì.

And also in the Na'vi expressions and idioms it's in the brakets. :)
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on February 01, 2010, 08:30:08 PM
My name is ___/I am called ___
You can say the former in Na'vi using the word for name (Tstxo oeyä lu ___), however sticking with the idiom of being called by a name, as in the "I am called ___" example above, the common way to say this in Na'vi is:
Oeru syaw (fko) ___
Lit. One calls to me (as) ___ (When responding to someone asking what you are called, the fko can be left off, as it is contextually understood.)

....

Kaltxì, oeru syaw Jake Sully.  Ngaru tut?
Hello, I am Jake Sully.  And you?
Oeru syaw Neytiri.
I am Neytiri.

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Kemaweyan

But without fko it seems as request: call me Txewì.
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Plumps

As with so much, it depends on the context ;)
In this instance "Call me Tìlu and I'm 20 years old" wouldn't make much sense :)

I think it's fine to use it without fko

Tìlu

So do you think I should use fko with that sentence ma Plumps?

Tìtstewan

Quote from: Tìlu on February 25, 2015, 09:05:04 PM
So do you think I should use fko with that sentence ma Plumps?
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Quote from: Plumps on February 25, 2015, 03:45:20 PM
I think it's fine to use it without fko

You can use fko, of course, but without it's also ok. :)

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Plumps

Quote from: Tìlu on February 25, 2015, 09:05:04 PM
So do you think I should use fko with that sentence ma Plumps?

Yes, both is fine, tì'efumì oeyä. If you start a conversation with that, it's probably better to use it with fko. If you answer to a question like Fyape fko syaw ngar? "What's your name?", you can safely leave it out ;)

Kame Ayyo’koti

One way to think of verbs and l/ìl t/ti/it is like a math equation; the verb is the equals sign.

  • If there's only something on one side of the "equation," then don't use l/ìl or t/ti/it.
    Oe taron.
    Oe yom.
  • If there's something on each side, use l/ìl and t/ti/it.
    Oel taron yerikit.
    Oel yom wutsot.
    If you ever see l/ìl or t/ti/it without the "other half," it's because the other half is implied:
    Tsole'a ngal tsayerikit srak? / Oel teraron.
    Srake fì'u wutso Peyralä lu? / Srane, yolom tsat.

As Blue Elf said, intransitive verbs (vin. in the dictionary) can only have items on one side, so they never use l/ìl or t/ti/it. (Sometimes it might seem like they would, but some verbs use adpositions instead, like : Oe kä ne tsong.) Transitive verbs (vtr. in the dictionary) may or may not require items on both sides of the equation, depending on the verb. Just trust your gut for now.

I hope that helps and isn't just more confusing. :P
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Tìtstewan

#17
Exceptions, ma smuk! :)

Poltxe pol ngar fayluta oe new kivä.
She said to you (these words that) she wanted to go.

There are very, very rare verbs that can be transitive or intransitive.

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`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

#18
If this seems a little much to understand, don't be put out by it. This is one of the toughest things to get right in Na'vi, and it takes most of us a while to get it completely right. Part of the challenge is few earth languages use noun cases in the way Na'vi does. They generally use noun cases or they don't. Na'vi uses noun cases only part of the time, and as a result is called a tripartate language. About the only earth language that is tripartate is Basque. Kame Ayyo'koti has it right in that noun cases are not used with intransitive verbs, and may or may not be used with transitive verbs.

Knowing your verbs, be they intransitive, transitive, or modal, is very important!

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Blue Elf

Quote from: Tìtstewan on February 26, 2015, 11:25:46 AM
Exceptions, ma smuk! :)

Poltxe pol ngar fayluta oe new kivä.
She said to you (these words that) she wanted to go.

There are very, very rare verbs that can be transitive or intransitive.
and who said that? Paul said that many, if not all transitive verbs can used also intransitively (oe taron X oel taron yerikit), so in reality there is many many verbs which can be used both way :)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)