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zawprrte' and sunu
« on: January 10, 2017, 07:07:01 pm »
If you use the verb zawprrte', you're likely to say ''zawprrte' oene''. Could it occur in some cases with the verb 'sunu', which means 'bring enjoyment'. We always use the dative but it is absolutely obligatory 200% of the time?
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Re: zawprrte' and sunu
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 01:27:37 am »
You mean whether zawprrte’ could be used with the dative and vice versa?

I don’t think so. Because of its origin, zawprrte’ comes from za’u which we don’t use with the dative either. It’s just one of those grammatical things you have to learn ;)

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Re: zawprrte' and sunu
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 11:22:24 am »
Almost same as Plumps said,
Sunu means bring enjoyment to/for sbd/sth so dativ is needed since it fits prefectly here.

On the other hand, zawprrte' means come pleasurably to or be enjoyable to comes from za'u nìprrte' so it's used with ne.
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Re: zawprrte' and sunu
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 01:41:46 pm »
If you use the verb zawprrte', you're likely to say ''zawprrte' oene''. Could it occur in some cases with the verb 'sunu', which means 'bring enjoyment'. We always use the dative but it is absolutely obligatory 200% of the time?
Sunu can be used even without dative - tsaw sunu is perfectly correct as a general statement not saying to whom something is pleasant. This information can be inferred from the context (oeru or fkoru).
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Re: zawprrte' and sunu
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 02:42:40 pm »
It appears to me that the question is, "zawprrte' uses ne, and sunu uses -ru. Can sunu use ne too, based on how similar their definitions are"? To which I say I agree with the above sentients.


I do believe that indeed 200% of the time it's Zawprrte' being used with ne (and not -ru) and sunu used with -ru (and not ne)


Also, I agree that "sunu tsaw" is technically a complete sentence. I think that "zawprrte' tsaw" would be as well.

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