Avatar and Aliens: same Universe?

[Will Txankamuse]

The first Alien film takes place in 2122. The sequels Aliens and Alien 3 both take place in 2179.  Avatar takes place in 2154 - the three movie timelines therefore overlap.  Furthermore, RDA have been on Pandora for at least 20 years and it takes 6 years to get to Pandora, so the first ISV would have left Earth no later than 2128, and to be honest the ISVs probably take a long time to build   I personally view it unlikely that given the overlapping proximity of the timelines, the huge organisations described in both films would have appeared and disappeared so rapidly.  But I suppose I won't discount that it's possible

Will

[Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn]

I don't want to discount your theory either, I suppose we just have to wait for Cameron to make AvAvP then huh. 

[TorukMakto!]

By having those similarities, Cameron opened a big possibility of options, such us having Na'vi , Aliens and Humans in the same movie in some kind of a storyline.
But until Cameron himself confirm that Na'vi and Aliens happen in the same Universe , all of this is wild speculation. .

[Ayfa'liyä omumyu]

The first Alien film takes place in 2122. The sequels Aliens and Alien 3 both take place in 2179.  Avatar takes place in 2154 - the three movie timelines therefore overlap.  Furthermore, RDA have been on Pandora for at least 20 years and it takes 6 years to get to Pandora, so the first ISV would have left Earth no later than 2128, and to be honest the ISVs probably take a long time to build   I personally view it unlikely that given the overlapping proximity of the timelines, the huge organisations described in both films would have appeared and disappeared so rapidly.  But I suppose I won't discount that it's possible

This is a pretty compelling argument. Well done. I think it essentially settles the matter unless we had more information (which we don't). I suppose it is possible, for example, that Weyland-Yutani was a parent company, or a competitor to the RDA and they may have merged or bought out one another to some extent. In this way they could have both the "good" and "bad' cop on the street and reap the rewards of both (using Weyland's name for less savory, military or black-ops work). This wouldn't violate the ICA ruling, either, since the nukes and military presence employed in Aliens were in fact governmental Colonial Marines, not company security, and any resources (experimental xenomorphs) would still ultimately be managed by the RDA.

Of course, the real point of the matter is that they're all bought up by Wal-mart around 2340 anyway... ;P

[ShadowedSin]

I believe Pandora was the first out of Sol System planet to be explored. Which kind of breaks what we see in Aliean. Plus, if we are using mechs as a basis of comparison then your forgetting the entire mecha genre. Evil Corporations, that would be Cyberpunk. Things can be related, and can be entirely different in basis. That's why we have genre.

[Suteyä Hawnuyu]

I am hoping that you are wrong. The movies are just so different, and the universes are so different. Merging the two would be unnatural looking, strange, and utterly disappointing.

If you read the first few pages you would see all the similarities XD.

I saw the first few pages. Even the similarities seem different to me.

[Sіr. Ηaxalot]

AvAvP The FPS.

SEGA (or rebellion, I don't know which on of them) is claiming that the new AvP will have powerful mod tools... 

[Reav]

I've been a fan of the whole Aliens story for a while.
They show lots of similarities with Avatar that is true but... I just think it wouldent ''fit'' in the whole Avatar storyline.

[Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn]

hmm dangerous animals, alien planet, space marine, space ships, future guns, sigourney weaver, evil corporation. seems to all line up to me

[TorukMakto!]

hmm dangerous animals, alien planet, space marine, space ships, future guns, sigourney weaver, evil corporation. seems to all line up to me

Yes, in a way, yes indeed.
The big question is, do the fans, both of them , want to see this combination or not?

[Brainiac]

hmm dangerous animals, alien planet, space marine, space ships, future guns, sigourney weaver, evil corporation. seems to all line up to me

Yes, in a way, yes indeed.
The big question is, do the fans, both of them , want to see this combination or not?

Avatar 3, not two, then.
but I'd like to see Jake or Neytiri manhandle an Alien-alien 

[Tsa'räni]

hmm dangerous animals, alien planet, space marine, space ships, future guns, sigourney weaver, evil corporation. seems to all line up to me

Yes, in a way, yes indeed.
The big question is, do the fans, both of them , want to see this combination or not?

I don't.  What possible reason could there be for combining them other than, and please excuse the term, creative masturbation?

What is it that makes Avatar so special to so many people?  The beautiful, exotic Pandora and Na'vi.  The neolithic, strongly-connected-to-the-planet feel that many people can identify with because of a disillusionment, on some level, of how humans treat each other and the environment.  A love story that contains a forbidden element.  And so many more things...but they all follow a general "feel".

But how is that compatible with Alien?  Do you want to see big ugly aliens running around Pandora?  Or how about seeing the beautiful Na'vi running around on a dark, industrial, and slimy world overrun by aliens?

It just doesn't make any sense unless you're George Lucas.  The only thing that can happen when you take two polar opposites like Alien and Avatar and combine them is unmitigated disaster.  They might as well just hand the budding Avatar franchise over to Lucas if they want to do that.

[Brainiac]

hmm dangerous animals, alien planet, space marine, space ships, future guns, sigourney weaver, evil corporation. seems to all line up to me

Yes, in a way, yes indeed.
The big question is, do the fans, both of them , want to see this combination or not?

I don't.  What possible reason could there be for combining them other than, and please excuse the term, creative masturbation?

What is it that makes Avatar so special to so many people?  The beautiful, exotic Pandora and Na'vi.  The neolithic, strongly-connected-to-the-planet feel that many people can identify with because of a disillusionment, on some level, of how humans treat each other and the environment.  A love story that contains a forbidden element.  And so many more things...but they all follow a general "feel".

But how is that compatible with Alien?  Do you want to see big ugly aliens running around Pandora?  Or how about seeing the beautiful Na'vi running around on a dark, industrial, and slimy world overrun by aliens?

It just doesn't make any sense unless you're George Lucas.  The only thing that can happen when you take two polar opposites like Alien and Avatar and combine them is unmitigated disaster.  They might as well just hand the budding Avatar franchise over to Lucas if they want to do that.

Oh, great. Another lucas-hater. How original 

anyway: "Humans running around on Pandora" could also count as "big ugly aliens running around Pandora", no?

[Tsa'räni]

Except the entire concept of Avatar is based around a human/Na'vi confrontation.  It's integral to the world and the story.

[Brainiac]

Except the entire concept of Avatar is based around a human/Na'vi confrontation.  It's integral to the world and the story.

Yes, but not necessarily for Avatar 2, methinks.

[Tsa'räni]

Except the entire concept of Avatar is based around a human/Na'vi confrontation.  It's integral to the world and the story.

Yes, but not necessarily for Avatar 2, methinks.

For the hardcore fans, no.  To make a movie that successfully follows up the original Avatar's general appeal?  Yeah, they'll have to do something with humans.  But that's actually beside the point.

I'm curious to see how people would like to see Aliens integrated into Avatar.  Let's say there are no humans in Avatar 2.  We've got aliens now.  Tell me about the movie and why it's going to work.

[Brainiac]

Except the entire concept of Avatar is based around a human/Na'vi confrontation.  It's integral to the world and the story.

Yes, but not necessarily for Avatar 2, methinks.

For the hardcore fans, no.  To make a movie that successfully follows up the original Avatar's general appeal?  Yeah, they'll have to do something with humans.  But that's actually beside the point.

I'm curious to see how people would like to see Aliens integrated into Avatar.  Let's say there are no humans in Avatar 2.  We've got aliens now.  Tell me about the movie and why it's going to work.

That is actually a very good question. lemme think about for a while.

[Ayfa'liyä omumyu]

The big question is, do the fans, both of them , want to see this combination or not?

While my friends and I like to muse over various scenarios which combine the two - might we say? - mythologies, I know with fair certainty that I would not want to see them combined in a film. However... I would not mind at all if there was some mild reference in a future film which hinted at some crossover, à la the Alien skull which can be seen in the trophy room in Predator 2. Just so long, of course, that it didn't mean a crossover film down the road.

[Ftiafpi]

Forgive me if it's already been mentioned but AvAvP would be hilariously badass for the soul reason that we would get to see a Na'valien (Alien born from a Na'vi)... Totally going to rough photoshop that now on my lunch break, brb.

[Ayfa'liyä omumyu]

Forgive me if it's already been mentioned but AvAvP would be hilariously badass for the soul reason that we would get to see a Na'valien (Alien born from a Na'vi)... Totally going to rough photoshop that now on my lunch break, brb.

Ha! Well, a co-worker did comment the the other day, with reference to Aliens, something to the effect of "You know somewhere on Pandora there's a tribe of Na'vi whose mounts are black and shiny..." This led to the inevitable discussion of how such a tribe must certainly have a symbiotic relationship with the Alien. How they might willingly and ritually serve as hosts, to bring about a rebirth of the spirit through sacrifice of the body... or somesuch.