Avatar Trilogy?

[Zalorticus]

I know some of you may know this already, but here are the words from James Cameron himself:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/463046/will-avatar-be-a-trilogy.jhtml#movieId=1564907

Alright, he didn't exactly say there will be a trilogy, but that is what he is aiming for.

[Txur’Itan]

I would see it.

[Eywayä mokri]

Yep they are talking about sequels....two sequels actually, so a trilogy.

[Drake]

If i could i would buy cards allready
As we know JC, they will be good.

[shiaru]

Well if you read the books it mentions the name of another moon.... Oceanis i think, my spelling might be off. Jmaes Cameron does love water. So who knows, it might be related or not all all, i just see as an interesting bit.

[Tsamsiyu Tirea]

i would  see that anything related to the NA'VI i would sse it.

[Eyamsiyu]

I know it will probably happen.  What I can't see is how he's going to pull it off.  Avatar 1 (as I guess I'll call it in this post) was just too perfect in my eyes to be able to make a sequel. 

However, like what was said above, we are talking about James Cameron: if he's said anything about sequels, he already knows how it's going to work, and how to make it work as well.

[shiaru]

he says he has a sketched version of a possible sequel looking at the numbers this movie has already made and the growing fan-base I say that sequel is already being written by him as we speak, and it would likely be announced as starting pre-production in the next 6 to 8 weeks. Those are my views.

[Skxawng]

Since avatar is on the brink of turning a profit right now (or breaking even at the very least, a sequel is VERY possible)

1. In the movie and video game industry, the 2nd movie/game always has a better profit margin than the first. Not always the case with a 3rd, but definitely the 2nd.  Since movies and videogames are financed solely for profit when they have such a large budget, a better profit margin will be irresistible to invest in. They'd be fools not to.

2. a good portion of the expenses of making the first film were simply inventing the cameras, techniques, and language over several years. Since all the tech is there, making a second movie would not only be faster, but cheaper and thus the profits would be higher, thus convincing investors even more so.  What I hope, however, is that Cameron puts up the money for the 2nd one himself, allowing him more artistic freedom.


The question, though, is wether Cameron would want to do a sequel, or if he's got some other project that he wants to work on. 

The ending of avatar leaves a lot of open questions. Primarily, If 'unobtanium' is so damn profitable whats to say a larger force won't come back and crush the opposition?

[shiaru]

Well I was thinking on that same principle but then again, it takes 6 years of voyage to get to Pandora, the Na'vi are in the orders of at least more than 200,000, they know the terrain, have a tactical advantage and the planet can turn full force against humans. I doubt they would do orbital strikes since it could decimate the very ore they want to mine, plus it is not a good PR campaign to start a Xenocide.

Again only my views.

[Txur’Itan]

Since avatar is on the brink of turning a profit right now (or breaking even at the very least, a sequel is VERY possible)

1. In the movie and video game industry, the 2nd movie/game always has a better profit margin than the first. Not always the case with a 3rd, but definitely the 2nd.  Since movies and videogames are financed solely for profit when they have such a large budget, a better profit margin will be irresistible to invest in. They'd be fools not to.

2. a good portion of the expenses of making the first film were simply inventing the cameras, techniques, and language over several years. Since all the tech is there, making a second movie would not only be faster, but cheaper and thus the profits would be higher, thus convincing investors even more so.  What I hope, however, is that Cameron puts up the money for the 2nd one himself, allowing him more artistic freedom.


The question, though, is wether Cameron would want to do a sequel, or if he's got some other project that he wants to work on. 

The ending of avatar leaves a lot of open questions. Primarily, If 'unobtanium' is so damn profitable whats to say a larger force won't come back and crush the opposition?

Speaking as someone who is close to the videogames industry.  So much of profit is dependant on sequels, that no company turns down the idea even if they lost money on the first version.  In movies, the same is often true.  It comes down to percentages, and value over time.

Examples:

If game A cost 10 and made 5 -> Bin it. Can the team.
If game A cost 20 and made 18 - 25 -> sell the license (sequels get made by diff company)
If game A cost 50 and made 100 -> Sequels made by same production team.
If game A cost 100 and made 1000 -> New production company/org forms around the producer and his/her team

[Txur’Itan]

The question, though, is wether Cameron would want to do a sequel, or if he's got some other project that he wants to work on. 

If I could read minds...

He sounded like he planned the continuing story arc out a bit. 

The ending of avatar leaves a lot of open questions. Primarily, If 'unobtanium' is so damn profitable whats to say a larger force won't come back and crush the opposition?

I think this would be the next logical conclusion, unless it was prohibitively expensive. 

I was trying to figure out some of the RDA decisions making regarding their use of AVATARs.  Maybe the AVATAR program is still in an R&D phase for determination of aspects of practical application in the field, so not much was determined yet about other uses besides the scientific. 

The movie establishes that an alien-human hybrid does not seem like a cheap thing to do.  Considering that AVATARs were not the primary exploratory and working mechanism for the mining operations, they must be on the orders of magnitude more expensive than anything they do on Pandora.  But, I would not think that would be a limiting factor in using them for other purposes besides science and cultural study, especially considering the obvious advantages to their use in combat in a hostile environment, long term reconnaissance, geological surveys. 

Maybe the gill system is the least expensive way to have people operate on Pandora, but that would not be necessarily the best most efficient use of their senior staff.  Foreman, leaders, they could use avatars to be more effective operators, and rescue techs can get to people who lost their gills or damaged them some how without needing to have gills them selves.  Accessing the up-link and down link of the wildlife would mean gathering data like nothing before.

Maybe there is an energy cost, besides the cost of construction of the avatar, for the signaling technology that goes into sending neural transmitter details to another brain wirelessly.  Especially, sending those signals across the surface of Pandora without interference, latency, data corruption or data loss being a factor.  There could be bugs in the system, or efficiency issues in generating the spliced clones. 

[Motxokxen]

you have to remember that avatar's also cost money in terms of space on the incoming voyage, and also a time investment because each user needs his DNA used and his avatar grown over a 14 year period(14? 16?) also the person needs training.

what i find interesting is that he said the sequels will involve jake and neytiri, but somehow involve other planets, i dont see the two connecting but it should be interesting.

[Txur’Itan]

you have to remember that avatar's also cost money in terms of space on the incoming voyage, and also a time investment because each user needs his DNA used and his avatar grown over a 14 year period(14? 16?) also the person needs training.

Yes of course.

what i find interesting is that he said the sequels will involve jake and neytiri, but somehow involve other planets, i don't see the two connecting but it should be interesting.

I have fun trying to guess what people are planning.

I was thinking about the floating rocks around the Tree of Souls, and the rings of rocks over the top of the place where it grows/exists.  We may even get a tiny glimpse or clue into how such ring rocks were formed (geologically or technologically).  I think others may have suspected, just as I have, that there is something more under that tree, and we may see it in the next films. 

Also, as has occurred in other stories, what if the Na'vi live a tribal life by choice, not because they are primitive, but because they shed their unwanted technology like dead skin?  The connections to the environment could have been the product of forced/controlled evolution at some distant event in the past.

The Na'vi might be related directly or indirectly in someway to another extra terrestrial species we have not met, which means there could be other aliens involved. 

Tree of Souls could be a bio engineered AI meant to help a transplanted species adapt to a manufactured planet, so some sort of historical biopic could follow up, but who knows.  There has been buzz about the Na'vi being a post AI singularity civilization.

[omängum fra'uti]

Everything on Pandora does seem like it's awful ... planned?

The horse type critters and ikran are two of the examples of having the USB ports besides the Na'vi...  But it doesn't seem like they are from a common evolutionary line.  Both of those (and most other creatures besides Na'vi) are hexapods, and both those examples breath through openings at the front of their torso.  Na'vi are bipods, stand up straight, and breath through their mouth.  They also have one USB port and the creatures have two.  (Which makes you wonder, can two Na'vi connect to one horse critter?)

The ikran and turok seem awfully engineered for their flight.

And... naturally occurring carbon fiber bones?  Really?  Convenient isn't that.

So, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that they are the result of some directed/planned evolution.

[Txur’Itan]

Everything on Pandora does seem like it's awful ... planned?

The horse type critters and ikran are two of the examples of having the USB ports besides the Na'vi...  But it doesn't seem like they are from a common evolutionary line.  Both of those (and most other creatures besides Na'vi) are hexapods, and both those examples breath through openings at the front of their torso.  Na'vi are bipods, stand up straight, and breath through their mouth.  They also have one USB port and the creatures have two.  (Which makes you wonder, can two Na'vi connect to one horse critter?)

The ikran and turok seem awfully engineered for their flight.

And... naturally occurring carbon fiber bones?  Really?  Convenient isn't that.

So, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that they are the result of some directed/planned evolution.

I was thinking that myself.

[Aperture]

I don't know if I like the news about sequels!
Avatar is awesome and in my opinion perfect.
Almost every sequel to movies I like aren't as good as the first one, so I fear that sequels could ruin Avatar a little!

Maybe I'm mistaken and they will be as awesome as Avatar 1.
We will see

[Txur’Itan]

I don't know if I like the news about sequels!
Avatar is awesome and in my opinion perfect.
Almost every sequel to movies I like aren't as good as the first one, so I fear that sequels could ruin Avatar a little!

Maybe I'm mistaken and they will be as awesome as Avatar 1.
We will see

Well, considering the track record with the following Cameron helmed sequels.

Aliens
Terminator 2

there is always some possibility that if the first blew you socks off, the second would light them on fire.

But, that said, I agree that some sequels tend to fall a bit flat, depending on the energy and care put into them.

[omängum fra'uti]

Sequels that were planned from the start can rock.  Sequels that were tacked on after the franchise took off to milk it for more money tend to fall flat.

[unil.]

I reckon a sequel (or two) would be great. We did see an awful lot of the Na'vi in Avatar, but we didn't really get to get into the meat of who they are. I mean, yes, we know they have a langauge, a connection to nature and all living things, etc, but I think there's a lot more to them that we didn't get to see. I'd be really stoked if they came out with sequels, especially if it means delving deeper into who these people are. ^_^