How bad is Selfridge?

Unilfwewyu · April 26, 2010, 03:26:36 PM

He seems to be forced to be evil if you ask me. When the Home Tree got destroyed, he really seemed down. (Actually, even Quaritch seemed somewhat down). But he really seems to have a certain pressure on him from the colonel.

Eyamsiyu · April 26, 2010, 03:42:20 PM

I don't think Quartich seemed down at all, if you ask me. I mean, he was drinking coffee and watching Kelutrel being destroyed like he was watching the morning news. But I can see Selfridge being "forced," but like I said before, for his quarterly statement to stay good, it was necessary for the people to relocate. He sure as hell didn't want anyone hurt, which is why he seemed really down.

What it comes down to is the fact that he knows he was killing life, and he hasn't had the training of a military man to be immune to it. And unless you are trained to see death happen at your hands (or a serial killer), you are going to feel remorse for your actions.

Unilfwewyu · April 26, 2010, 03:46:41 PM

Oh man then am I cold-hearted or what...? I see a dead corpse tomorrow and I won't even shudder...Perhaps it's because my dad is a cop...hmmmm.

Eyamsiyu · April 26, 2010, 03:54:45 PM

I didn't exactly mean it that way. I believe that you are not cold hearted.

I think the only person who can accurately describe to us how bad Selfridge is is cameron himself, and we won't really know that until be releases a novel based on the movie (provided it is a good one), as books have a funny way of describing exactly what the author wants the reader to know what the characters are feeling.

'Itan Atxur · April 26, 2010, 10:53:00 PM

I believe that if selfridge had never been exposed to money, he'd be a typical person.

Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan · April 27, 2010, 02:54:52 PM

Quote from: Niawve Mokri on April 01, 2010, 05:42:41 PM
I kinda think he's just following orders. 'Cause you can tell on his face when they destroy Hometree that he feels really bad about destroying it.

Yea, he does seem to be hurt about having to level the tree, but although he may not be the man with his finger on the trigger, he still has blood on his hands.

Eyamsiyu · April 27, 2010, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: 'Itan Atxur on April 26, 2010, 10:53:00 PM
I believe that if selfridge had never been exposed to money, he'd be a typical person.

So would Bill Gates.

Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan · April 27, 2010, 03:00:48 PM

Quote from: Autakuk 'Ekong on April 27, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: 'Itan Atxur on April 26, 2010, 10:53:00 PM
I believe that if selfridge had never been exposed to money, he'd be a typical person.

So would Bill Gates.

^Win.

The 2007 script has a little more detail about friction between Parker and Quartich that isn't there in the final cut.

Na'vi Kxanìa Taronyu · April 27, 2010, 03:47:57 PM

I honestly believe he didn't want to do the Na'vi any harm. After hometree fell his face definitely showed remorse. And the fact that he was giving Grace and Jake another chance on evacuating hometree to me meant he didn't want to shed any blood. Although IMHO he should have ordered Quarich and SecOps to return until a diplomatic solution could be made. Although if I were him I would ask RDA to do R&D to find another way to get unobtanium WITHOUT inflicting damage on the Na'vi population. RDA will have a revolt from a lot of people on Earth at the beginning of the sequel...I hope.

Unobtanium = Un-Obtainable

Rikxyu · April 27, 2010, 03:58:48 PM

It seemed to me that he was forced as well. His facial expression when Kelutrel fell and when Jake told him, "You don't want that kind of blood on your hands," (talking about the women and children that Grace mentioned) show his internal conflict. Since things are so bad on Earth and the corporation rules your life, he had to be careful. If he disobeyed his orders, the company could destroy his (and everyone-else-on-the-mission's) life. It was still evident that he didn't want to attack the Na'vi but he felt as though he had no choice.