Neytiri and Grace

[OmegaQ1]

But yes, I think she was in Grace's school. My question is: how long ago? I'd love to know the time-frame (maybe it's in the book, but I haven't read through all of it). It has to have been a while because: Neytiri seemed to resent the humans (which we know from her first encounter with Jake) and we knew from Parker (and implications from others) that the human's schools have failed. And right about now my concentration is going all wonky and I lost my train of thought, but... That (the timeframe mentioned above) was one of the lingering questions I had after both times watching the movie.

well i know that humans had been on pandora for atleast 20 years and grace had been on pandora for about 15 years but im not sure though either when the school was shut down in graces 15 years on pandora,i hope that helps some

Well, they'd have to be on Pandora for at most twenty years.

If you figure it takes 5-6 years to get there, and they've known about the place for ~25 years, they'd have to send out a team immediately after they discovered the planet in order to get there. And since they didn't know about the creatures, or what to expect, they probably set up Grace's school quite a while after the first expedition.

So,
25 - 5 = 20
20 - 12 (for going back to earth, then sending out the first official team) = 8

So Grace's school can't have been open for more than ~8 years.

This is all speculative, but I think it's accurate enough.

well i think that maybe there was a some sort of survey ship that was out and about and discovered that there the planet was(year of discovery),did a survey or scan or whatever on the planet,found it to be useful,went back to earth(now five or so years after discovery), ship with colonization stuff and also grace goes out to pandora(now about 11 or 12 years after discovery),humans set up shop on pandora,grace also sets up a school for races to learn eachothers languages and other things until the school shut down, this is not exactly 15 years with this logic but it may have been more than 25 years prior to events that occured in the movie that pandora was discovered too

[Txontaw]

But yes, I think she was in Grace's school. My question is: how long ago? I'd love to know the time-frame (maybe it's in the book, but I haven't read through all of it). It has to have been a while because: Neytiri seemed to resent the humans (which we know from her first encounter with Jake) and we knew from Parker (and implications from others) that the human's schools have failed. And right about now my concentration is going all wonky and I lost my train of thought, but... That (the timeframe mentioned above) was one of the lingering questions I had after both times watching the movie.

well i know that humans had been on pandora for atleast 20 years and grace had been on pandora for about 15 years but im not sure though either when the school was shut down in graces 15 years on pandora,i hope that helps some

Well, they'd have to be on Pandora for at most twenty years.

If you figure it takes 5-6 years to get there, and they've known about the place for ~25 years, they'd have to send out a team immediately after they discovered the planet in order to get there. And since they didn't know about the creatures, or what to expect, they probably set up Grace's school quite a while after the first expedition.

So,
25 - 5 = 20
20 - 12 (for going back to earth, then sending out the first official team) = 8

So Grace's school can't have been open for more than ~8 years.

This is all speculative, but I think it's accurate enough.

well i think that maybe there was a some sort of survey ship that was out and about and discovered that there the planet was(year of discovery),did a survey or scan or whatever on the planet,found it to be useful,went back to earth(now five or so years after discovery), ship with colonization stuff and also grace goes out to pandora(now about 11 or 12 years after discovery),humans set up shop on pandora,grace also sets up a school for races to learn eachothers languages and other things until the school shut down, this is not exactly 15 years with this logic but it may have been more than 25 years prior to events that occured in the movie that pandora was discovered too

Well, even with the prelim scans, they wouldn't know about the creatures, or if they're deadly or not, unless man or machine went onto the planet. I think the drone only sensed atmosphere, climate, and other global things like that.

[Txur’Itan]

But yes, I think she was in Grace's school. My question is: how long ago? I'd love to know the time-frame (maybe it's in the book, but I haven't read through all of it). It has to have been a while because: Neytiri seemed to resent the humans (which we know from her first encounter with Jake) and we knew from Parker (and implications from others) that the human's schools have failed. And right about now my concentration is going all wonky and I lost my train of thought, but... That (the timeframe mentioned above) was one of the lingering questions I had after both times watching the movie.

well i know that humans had been on pandora for atleast 20 years and grace had been on pandora for about 15 years but im not sure though either when the school was shut down in graces 15 years on pandora,i hope that helps some

Well, they'd have to be on Pandora for at most twenty years.

If you figure it takes 5-6 years to get there, and they've known about the place for ~25 years, they'd have to send out a team immediately after they discovered the planet in order to get there. And since they didn't know about the creatures, or what to expect, they probably set up Grace's school quite a while after the first expedition.

So,
25 - 5 = 20
20 - 12 (for going back to earth, then sending out the first official team) = 8

So Grace's school can't have been open for more than ~8 years.

This is all speculative, but I think it's accurate enough.

well i think that maybe there was a some sort of survey ship that was out and about and discovered that there the planet was(year of discovery),did a survey or scan or whatever on the planet,found it to be useful,went back to earth(now five or so years after discovery), ship with colonization stuff and also grace goes out to pandora(now about 11 or 12 years after discovery),humans set up shop on pandora,grace also sets up a school for races to learn eachothers languages and other things until the school shut down, this is not exactly 15 years with this logic but it may have been more than 25 years prior to events that occured in the movie that pandora was discovered too

Well, even with the prelim scans, they wouldn't know about the creatures, or if they're deadly or not, unless man or machine went onto the planet. I think the drone only sensed atmosphere, climate, and other global things like that.

Any exploratory probe heading out that far, would have had a hardened drop rover.  Also, I can definately see long distance probes being the first things sent to find these planets at various stars.

For targeting the topic -> The pictures of Grace running the school show her in her AVTR.  Unless the AVTR do not age, she(in AVTR) and Neytiri do not look much older, the closure in the movie appears to be recent, less than a few years.

[Le'tutean]

This is mostly my speculation, based on the Movie and the old avatar Script that can be found on Internet.... so here we go

In the movie, when Grace and Parker talk (Grace gets pissed off that they send Jake instead of Tommy), Parker says "...we build then schools.... we teach then english.... but after how many years, relations with the natives are only getting worse..." and Grace says "That tends to happen when you use machine guns on them"
In the movie we don't know what Grace actually means

But now.... in the Script, there is something about an incident where a group of Na'Vi were killed my SecOps. After that the Na'Vi broke any contact with Sawtute and banned them (including the science team (Avatars)) from their land.

In the Script, this must have been pretty recent, and I have a feeling it's the same in Movie (we just didn't get that in avatar, along with quite a few other scenes that should have made into the movie to explain things bit more). Also Parker says that they are on the brink of war, which further supports this.

So it was the Omaticaya (or propably even Na'Vi as a whole) that broke the contacts with humans, and it must have been some recent action.

Just my 2c from skxawng

[Skxawng]

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In the script(not the scriptment) the school was made and was doing just fine. Netiri had an older sister when she was at the school ... who stopped going to the school because she was angry at the clearcutting.  One day the older sister, with a group of other young warriors were angry at the destruction of the forest so they went off set a bulldozer on fire, and came back to the school because they thought Grace could protect them. They were running away from the humans who were chasing them down. The troopers came, shot Neytiri's sister in the doorway in front of Neytiri and then everyone else except for the kids Grace was able to save before she herself was shot. (obviously not mortally)

[Txur’Itan]

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In the script(not the scriptment) the school was made and was doing just fine. Netiri had an older sister when she was at the school ... who stopped going to the school because she was angry at the clearcutting.  One day the older sister, with a group of other young warriors were angry at the destruction of the forest so they went off set a bulldozer on fire, and came back to the school because they thought Grace could protect them. They were running away from the humans who were chasing them down. The troopers came, shot Neytiri's sister in the doorway in front of Neytiri and then everyone else except for the kids Grace was able to save before she herself was shot. (obviously not mortally)

The iPhone game?  That is cannon now?

[Kupaton`Eywa]

no wonder....
but hmmm
nvm Kaltxi!

Quote!
-No matter where life takes you, Jake, you will still have some humanity in you the next time we meet-
that is quoted from an anymous person.

[Skxawng]

The iPhone game?  That is cannon now?

naw I read that out of the 2007 script

[Txen Seri Unil]

Kaltxi!

As for the pictures on the refrigerator (which is labeled "Food only in here") there are TWO pictures which include Neytiri. I have been watching for specific "in the background" things as I have seen the film more and more (10th time, here I come!) and those pictures were one thing I always look at.

The very top-most picture is of Neytiri and a younger Na'vi girl, not sure if it is sister or just a close friend. I can tell because Neytiri has the 'signature' orange flowers/feathers in her hair; the same kind she wore when she and Jake are mated.

The second picture is near the bottom (or at the bottom I guess), which is very clearly in focus as Jake looks at them.

My guess is that Neytiri and the other Na'vi are fond of Grace and don't hold her responsible for what happens with the school closing down. The children all seem to be very friendly with her when she is allowed back into Hometree.

Eywa ngahu,
Txen Seri Unil

[bagget00]

when was the last time u took medicine? it IS disgusting! but yeah I'm pretty sure it was meds in there. it looked like pill containers...

On the fridge there was tape saying "this fridge is for FOOD only."

It was on the door.

[bagget00]

Well, since they've been 'asleep' for almost 6 years when they reach Pandora, and Jake Sully knew about going there before his trip. It would be at least 6 years.

I think they were there a lot longer, but I can't proof it right now.

remember reading somewhere that it was 30 years.

[pbhead]

well... according to one source... the ISV venture star had allready been to pandora once... and was the 9th ship (of 12 built).

so... in 2154 it arrived a second time....  a round trip is about 14 years... +6 years for one way... meaning it the Venture star was launched in 2124 (about). it was the 9th ship build... so... assuming a 14 month production time (14 years/12 ships)... the first ISV was finished in... 2113 (about).  They could not start building the current model of ISVs untill they had an initial supply of unobtanium... and the first ship (s?) were (thanks to the lack of a room temperature superconductor) slower and less efficiant... I would say it would have taken about 20 years for that first ship to go to pandora, and return with enough unobtanium to build more ships.... so that puts us back at 2093. ish.  Now... they did not know there was a room temperature superconductor there untill they sent at least a probe of some sort... which would have taken a nice long time to get there, considering they definitly have a beaming station at earth yet... ill say 9 years, and then 4 years for the news to reach earth. (assuming they did not have their quantum entanglement communication at this point)... so were back to around 2080.  Now, thats 74 years for the approximate minimum time it took for people to go from probe launch to movie start date... plenty of time for grace to have had her school set up for 10 years.   now, remember... thats 74 years minimum... factor in beaurocratic bumbling... and so forth... and you can prolly add a few decades to that figure easy.



(and 11 months after the movie ends another isv, stuffed with 200 colonists, 2 shuttles, and a sterolithogrophy plant will arrive at pandora!!11)... and  in 25 months ANOTHER one... because if you read up on these awsome ships... you know that they literally cannot turn around. those massive engines has just enough fuel to only stop, or start the ship... the beam array on earth does the other half... actually considering the ISV venture star is designed to sit in orbit an entire year... i would not be supprised if they simply put everyone into stasis (I hope everyone fits! cause it sure looks like there were more than 200 colonists on that colony... although alot of them got killed in the final battle.... expecially, when you consider in the script that the colonel was arming the mine workers, not just his military grunts.), and continued refueling for another 9 months after the movie ends.)

[bagget00]

Whats your source for all of this info?

[Txur’Itan]

Whats your source for all of this info?

Agreed...

Good Sources = good information about the post...
Bad Sources = good information about the poster...

[pbhead]

the avatar wiki, the survivalist guide, the official avatar movie site, the 2007 script, and logic.


If you want to say that something I said is wrong, please tell me what so i can defend myself. It would be nicer than attacking me.

[bagget00]

I wasn't attacking. I was asking because I wanted to know what to read. Sorry I came off that way.

[pbhead]

na, you were fine... i was refering to the other poster.

this link is where i got most of it from.  http://www.pandorapedia.com/doku.php/isv_venture_star

or... heres the important bit.

"The Venture Star is the ninth ship of its class brought into service, and has made one round trip to the Alpha Centauri System. It is currently outbound on its second voyage, due to arrive there in 2154.

....The first interstellar ship was over four kilometers long, because of the massive refrigeration system required to maintain the conventional low-temperature superconducting magnets that produced the containment field for the matter-antimatter reaction. It was not until the discovery of the high-temperature superconductor unobtanium on Pandora that interstellar travel and commerce became commercially viable. The Capital Star Class ISV was developed using this technology and is one-quarter the size of that first ship, and many times more efficient. Power Source: Hybrid deuterium fusion / matter-antimatter annihilation."

[bagget00]

h cool. Didn't know thay had added more to pandorapedia.

[TorukMakto!]

OP, I think I heard , Grace mentioning to Jake that Neytiri was her best student or something of that sort.

[Swok Txon]

wow

Its weird with Grace knowing Neytiri...something about it lol