Possible movie glitch?

[Eanikran]

So while watching earlier today, I caught something:

The avatar drivers can only link with their own avatar, no one else's, right? When norm and Jake are walking into the lab, you can clearly see that it's norm's avatar in the amino tank next to jakes, then when grace asks him how many hours he's logged, he says 500. Is this possible when his avatar was maturing on the way to pandora?

Meh. I'm probably thinking too much. 

[Txepä Tsyal]

I always thought that he had a previous "practice" avatar, and that during the trip was upgraded to the real thing. Whether this practice avatar was a computer simulation or a very basic form of an actual avatar I have no Idea.

[Ku'rända]

I'm pretty sure there there was a mention of a 'sim' somewhere in the movie- whether grace scolding jake for being a worthless know-nothing, or whatever :B

['Oma Tirea]

I'm pretty sure there there was a mention of a 'sim' somewhere in the movie- whether grace scolding jake for being a worthless know-nothing, or whatever :B

Oe mllte ngahu about the simulation part.  It would make the most sense.

[Eanikran]

Oh, oe didn't even think of the sim thing. I just watched last night and I do think I heard Max or Norm say something about a sim

[Muzer]

I'm pretty sure there there was a mention of a 'sim' somewhere in the movie- whether grace scolding jake for being a worthless know-nothing, or whatever :B

The only bit I can remember offhand is not related - "the proprioceptive sims seemed to work really well"

[Ftiafpi]

I'm pretty sure there there was a mention of a 'sim' somewhere in the movie- whether grace scolding jake for being a worthless know-nothing, or whatever :B

The only bit I can remember offhand is not related - "the proprioceptive sims seemed to work really well"

Proprioceptive sims are used to simulate muscle use in the Avatar's during growth and give them "great muscle tone".

But, yes, I agree with the simulated avatar. It wouldn't take much for their computers to run a computer with Norm's brain allowing him to control...something. A robotic arm, a computer, whatever. This would allow him to "practice" without having an Avatar.

[Muzer]

I'm pretty sure there there was a mention of a 'sim' somewhere in the movie- whether grace scolding jake for being a worthless know-nothing, or whatever :B

The only bit I can remember offhand is not related - "the proprioceptive sims seemed to work really well"

Proprioceptive sims are used to simulate muscle use in the Avatar's during growth and give them "great muscle tone".

Yeah, I know - as I said, it's the only bit I can remember from the movie that mentions "sim", but it is unrelated to what we were talking about.

But, yes, I agree with the simulated avatar. It wouldn't take much for their computers to run a computer with Norm's brain allowing him to control...something. A robotic arm, a computer, whatever. This would allow him to "practice" without having an Avatar.

[archaic]

Is it possible to link with avatar juveniles, Jake say's "Damn they got big!" so he's seen them smaller, but how small?
Has Norm spent around five hundred and twenty hours linked with his avatar as a young child?

[Txura Rolyu]

i dont think they would have linked with a child form because Earths atmosphere would be too toxic for anything as pure as a Na'vi. Also I dont think that it would be easy to be a grown person in a babies body. It would seem so strange. I agree with the computer simulation stuff. although I would hope that the power didnt go out if i were linked in. Your mind could be lost in cyberspace forever. Scary to think of...

[archaic]

I was thinking the equivalent of maybe six years old.

Grace refers to Tommy Sully as having thee years training for the mission, assuming his avatar was started as soon as that began, give it accelerated development, around double the normal maturation rate, it would be equivalent of six in time for some practice link time before being put on board the ISV for Pandora.
Five years nine months and twenty two days at double aging rate would then give an avatar that is equivalent of roughly seventeen and a half years old.

Then again I could be way off.

[Txura Rolyu]

So the Avatar bodies age twice as fast as the regular Na'vi? That would be very sad for Jake and Neytiri then. Jake will be 60 when she is only 30... a sad way to have to live when you think about it.

[Eyamsiyu]

So the Avatar bodies age twice as fast as the regular Na'vi? That would be very sad for Jake and Neytiri then. Jake will be 60 when she is only 30... a sad way to have to live when you think about it.

I don't think that is entirely true: I would think that they purposefully aged them over the 6 years with some sort of device, because I seriously doubt that just fusing the two different DNA together will kill half their lifespan.  And if did at some point, I'm sure they tried to fix it, since it would save the RDA more money to have an Avatar that lasted a worker's life as well (since Avatars were originally made to be workers in the mines, so as to not need the respirators).

Just my 2¢.

[Txura Rolyu]

yeah... i agree with you. There wouldnt be an AVTR 2 or 3 if Jake aged twice as fast. Thank goodness that that isnt the situation with the AVTR bodies.

[Tsteu'itan]

Actually, if you want to be technical, some of the problems with cloning is that the age of the clone's cells are the same as the age of the original.  That was the problem with the sheep that they cloned.  She was an adult sheep, so even as an infant, her cells were aged, and it did cause some problems.

Whether or not they'd found a way to cure this is almost never addressed in science fiction movies, as far as I've seen.

[Muzer]

But does it really need to be addressed? For example, if you're using, or even designing, a computer chip, how many times do you say, out loud, something along the lines of "it's good that we discovered the interesting semiconductor properties of silicon and thereby produce electrical equivalents of valves, greatly increasing reliability, and decreasing the size and cost, of computers"? Virtually never. So why would they mention a workaround for the ageing problem during a cloning process, unless the whole story WAS the introduction of said process?

[Eyamsiyu]

There are things not addressed, and honestly a lot of them just helps the magic of the movie to not be addressed.  It adds to the mystique and beauty of it.

[Tsteu'itan]

See, I don't have to have things explained in movies, but I'm actually the type that likes it in my sci-fi.  I like when they're able to make it seem as if the science actually works in real life if you just try it.

But no, in a movie like Avatar, I didn't feel that it needed to be explained.  Cloning in movies has been one of those things that has been a staple for so long, it doesn't need the explanation anymore for us to just believe it works.

[archaic]

The last I read was a piece about an enzyme called telomerase. I guess something equivalent was found in Pandoran life, and exploited.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomerase