the book that grace wrote about the navi

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Tsu'roen

Quote from: Kìte'eyä Aungia on February 13, 2010, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: jaytea on February 13, 2010, 04:11:33 PM
i think with all the information overflowing in this forum we could make it lol

Nah, it was a book entirely on botany IIRC.

1. The title of the book is "The Na'vi" - so it is clearly supposed to be about the culture, language or biology of the Na'vi and is surely not a volume on Pandoran botany - that book would have a different title.

2. There is no indication that Grace has written that book - it may have been done by one of the other (earlier) scientist/Avatar drivers.

3. It's of course a movie prop and not an actual book on that topic - I doubt even JC's Pandorapedia is that thick on printed pages (without pictures) yet
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Tefpakyu

NORM
Grace Augustine is a legend. She's the
head of the Avatar Program, and she wrote
the book -- I mean literally wrote the
book -- on Pandoran botany.
MAX
(low, over his shoulder)
That's because she likes plants better
than people.

Hence she probrably diddn't write the book on Na'vi also.
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Quote from: Tefpakyu on February 21, 2010, 10:14:00 AM
NORM
Grace Augustine is a legend. She's the
head of the Avatar Program, and she wrote
the book -- I mean literally wrote the
book -- on Pandoran botany.
MAX
(low, over his shoulder)
That's because she likes plants better
than people.

Hence she probrably diddn't write the book on Na'vi also.

Although given how interconnected everything on pandora is, maybe that WAS the book she wrote on it. You can't really talk about Pandoray botany without talking about the na'vi. Also, a book called "the Na'vi" would look much more appealing to earthlings wandering around in barnes and noble than "Pandoran Botany."
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Quote from: Kireyan on February 23, 2010, 06:24:20 PM
Although given how interconnected everything on pandora is, maybe that WAS the book she wrote on it. You can't really talk about Pandoray botany without talking about the na'vi. Also, a book called "the Na'vi" would look much more appealing to earthlings wandering around in barnes and noble than "Pandoran Botany."
No the correct order must be: You can't really talk about the Na'vi without talking about Pandoran botany.  
But the Pandoran botany works most likely just fine without the Na'vi.
"There are many dangers on Pandora, and one of the subtlest is that you may come to love it too much" ~ Dr. Grace Augustine

"You have a strong heart. No fear. But stupid!  Ignorant like a child!" ~ Neytiri te Tskaha Mo'at'ite

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Quote from: Tsu'roen on February 23, 2010, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: Kireyan on February 23, 2010, 06:24:20 PM
Although given how interconnected everything on pandora is, maybe that WAS the book she wrote on it. You can't really talk about Pandoray botany without talking about the na'vi. Also, a book called "the Na'vi" would look much more appealing to earthlings wandering around in barnes and noble than "Pandoran Botany."
No the correct order must be: You can't really talk about the Na'vi without talking about Pandoray botany.   
But the Pandoray botany works most likely just fine without the Na'vi.

potentially true, but things like the tree of souls/voices don't really make sense without the Na'vi. It's really difficult to separate fields when the entire planet works like a huge distributed intellegence, because in removing any aspect, the system becomes totally different, so I guess it works both ways.

Also, who else would have written a 6-pound book on the na'vi. The whole avatar thing is basically her domain, and it's referenced once that she tried to set up a school for the Na'vi to learn about humaney-things, so I think from that it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to assume that she's the driving force behind most of the cultural interactions with them, so why would she not write a book about it? She's a scientist, that's what we do.
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Quote from: Kireyan on February 23, 2010, 09:33:20 PM
Quote from: Tsu'roen on February 23, 2010, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: Kireyan on February 23, 2010, 06:24:20 PM
Although given how interconnected everything on pandora is, maybe that WAS the book she wrote on it. You can't really talk about Pandoray botany without talking about the na'vi. Also, a book called "the Na'vi" would look much more appealing to earthlings wandering around in barnes and noble than "Pandoran Botany."
No the correct order must be: You can't really talk about the Na'vi without talking about Pandoray botany.   
But the Pandoray botany works most likely just fine without the Na'vi.

potentially true, but things like the tree of souls/voices don't really make sense without the Na'vi. It's really difficult to separate fields when the entire planet works like a huge distributed intellegence, because in removing any aspect, the system becomes totally different, so I guess it works both ways.

Also, who else would have written a 6-pound book on the na'vi. The whole avatar thing is basically her domain, and it's referenced once that she tried to set up a school for the Na'vi to learn about humaney-things, so I think from that it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to assume that she's the driving force behind most of the cultural interactions with them, so why would she not write a book about it? She's a scientist, that's what we do.

The network of trees makes also sense without the Na'vi - it may just not be as obvious without them. The Na'vi are only one little aspect of the entire Pandoran ecosystem - and most likely the latest addition.
Though a book about the botany of Pandora may very well mention the Na'vi and their use of certain plants but it will hardly be centered around them and carry their name.

And who else may have written a scientific book about the Na'vi? An anthropologist like Norm for example!
Don't forget that ALL Avatar driver are scientists like Norm and Grace - with Jake being the sole exception. Just because we hardly see the other drivers throughout the movie doesn't mean they aren't there. Pretty much at any given time there are at least 11 - 12 Avatar driver on Pandora. Those are not just running around in the woods for fun - they are doing reserch. So any of them may have written that book - most likely after the return to Earth. Also I doubt the RDA has a book printing and binding facility on Pandora. So that book was most likely printed on Earth!
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"You have a strong heart. No fear. But stupid!  Ignorant like a child!" ~ Neytiri te Tskaha Mo'at'ite

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Will Txankamuse

The debate over who wrote the book seems pretty moot to me - since the name is clearly visible on the book (and it's not Grace).  JC, being the perfectionist and detail obsessed person that he is, likely made a conscious decision not to have Grace as the author of the book.  As others have said, she is more of a 'front line' researcher in the field, probably writing field reports on what she finds, and leaving the hard work of organizing all of this information into a book to others back on Earth.  She was probably heavily credited in the book as the source of many of the information contained within, along with the other xenobiologists working on Pandora.

Given a free reign to invent the name of the author, the Weta props master (Phred Palmer) decided to leave his little mark on the film by using his own name.  You can't blame him really :)

Will
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Tsu'roen

"There are many dangers on Pandora, and one of the subtlest is that you may come to love it too much" ~ Dr. Grace Augustine

"You have a strong heart. No fear. But stupid!  Ignorant like a child!" ~ Neytiri te Tskaha Mo'at'ite

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Quote from: Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn on February 20, 2010, 07:10:48 PM

Most book covers are too big, that's why I always just take them off.

There are two types of book cover. Softcover, like this book, are cut to size as a final part of their manufacture, on a machine called a guillotine. So the cover should be exactly the same size as the rest of the pages. Its not, and it fits better at the spine than at the outer edge.  
(could not find a pic of the book, so here's a guillotine instead)



Quote from: Will Txankamuse on February 20, 2010, 07:43:48 PM

...don't judge a book by its cover.

Ooops, I just did!
Pasha, an Avatar story, my most recent fanfic, Avatar related, now complete.

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