The Na'Vi Belief

Fpeioyuyä 'ite · December 25, 2009, 06:58:18 PM

Hmm...I consider myself some sort of atheist pagan (is that a contradiction?). I've been a vegetarian for nearly four years because I believe that all life is sacred. (Except for the occasional spider in the shower...) Despite my deep connection with nature, I do not believe in a supreme creator. I side firmly with evolution and random chemical reactions--science. It's hard to balance these beliefs sometimes.

Now, back to that Na'vi commune idea...I've always wanted to ditch civilization in favor of a deserted island with a small colony of people. What if a billionaire bought up a deserted island and claimed it as a sovereign state? Granted, the island may already be a territory of a country, but a girl can dream, can't she?

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 25, 2009, 07:36:31 PM

I just wish it was posible to change youself in to a na'vi and i'm going to try!!

and im not going to be a mad scientist and if i try and die thats just bad luck.

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 25, 2009, 07:41:51 PM

i forgot to say......

eywa ngahu
goodbye and may eywa be with you

Eyamsiyu · December 25, 2009, 08:13:20 PM

If I had to place myself in a religion, I couldn't, because I believe Christianity to not be a religion at all. But that's just how I see it. And honestly, I am not ashamed when I say that other religions interest me, because I have an interest in that field. I am not ignorant about religions when I try to find information on it, because I know that not everyone believes what I do, and I don't force anyone to believe what I do either (that's one thing I dislike about a lot of Christians is that, actually). But I'd rather learn a religion as one from the inside sees it, and understand why they believe as such, rather than cast them out, because there are other beliefs out there.

Ok, enough of the religious chatter.

If I could become a Na'vi, that would be just great overall. I mean, you're 10 feet tall, with blue skin, tails, and can ride banshees. Not to mention that you pretty much are an expert archer.

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 25, 2009, 08:57:55 PM

If there is a god it would be eywa!!!!!!!!!

eywa ngahu
goodbye and may eywa be with you.

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 25, 2009, 09:24:59 PM

what if there was a closed park? oh and if it was real that we could do this i have one question. what would we wear?would we wear what the na'vi wore or the humans?
sorry if is inaprpreate. i'm full of those questions.

Get ready to practice achery and na'vi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh and someting else, would there be different clans or one clan? how would we live?

eywa ngahu
goodbye and may eywa be with you

Eyamsiyu · December 25, 2009, 09:27:04 PM

@ MountainBanshee's first post.

So be it. If that's what you find to be the truth, then that's what you can believe. I'm not stopping you.

Seriously, though, as far as the Na'vi belief, I see it eerily similar to that of Native Americans and how nature provides, and there is a circle in which all parts of the planet (going to use science terms now), the hydrosphere, the atmosphere, the geosphere, and the biosphere, all interact and balance each other out, thus making life possible. And it seems that, when it concerns the biosphere, Eywa has a bit of say in it.

Though it may sound weird, scientists today are actually finding this exact concept to be true to our world. Well, at least the part of the four "spheres" interacting and balancing out. And it's with this that we have found two things to be true: 1) we do affect the atmosphere with our actions, and if we stopped, it would take a while, but 2) the Earth would restore itself to it's pristine state.

Oh, and plants do have a mind of their own. So an "Eywa" on another planet might just exist.

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 25, 2009, 09:42:31 PM

good observation!!!

eywa ngahu
goodbye and eywa be with you.

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 25, 2009, 09:57:18 PM

Quote from: MOUNTAINBANSHEE on December 25, 2009, 09:24:59 PM
what if there was a closed park? oh and if it was real that we could do this i have one question. what would we wear?would we wear what the na'vi wore or the humans?
sorry if is inaprpreate. i'm full of those questions.

Get ready to practice achery and na'vi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh and someting else, would there be different clans or one clan? how would we live?

eywa ngahu
goodbye and may eywa be with you

Motxokxen · December 25, 2009, 10:49:39 PM

i don't know about religion, i myself am a "christian" tho my beliefs are not of the church and are just based on the bible. but aside from that i side heavily with the na'vi belief.

like au'ekong said it's about balance, and in this sense i don't see casting technology out to be necessarily "na'vi", but at the same time our technology has made us quite detached from nature.

as for our society, we could either A) buy a tropical island, B)buy 2000 acres of tropical rainforest (is that even possible?) or C)build a space station with a centripetal force based low gravity system and plant a bunch of things, live in it till we arrive in alpha centauri, possibly using an ion based propulsion system.

how much do islands cost?

Tirealì'u · December 26, 2009, 12:46:28 AM

Quote from: kerofish on December 25, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
Hmm...I consider myself some sort of atheist pagan (is that a contradiction?).

Just wanted to state: No, no it isn't. Technically, a pagan is any religion that isn't part of the Judeo-Christian sphere of things. There are plenty of religions in the world that feature no deity.

shiaru · December 26, 2009, 01:07:29 AM

Quote from: Motxokxen on December 25, 2009, 10:49:39 PM
i don't know about religion, i myself am a "christian" tho my beliefs are not of the church and are just based on the bible. but aside from that i side heavily with the na'vi belief.

like au'ekong said it's about balance, and in this sense i don't see casting technology out to be necessarily "na'vi", but at the same time our technology has made us quite detached from nature.

as for our society, we could either A) buy a tropical island, B)buy 2000 acres of tropical rainforest (is that even possible?) or C)build a space station with a centripetal force based low gravity system and plant a bunch of things, live in it till we arrive in alpha centauri, possibly using an ion based propulsion system.

how much do islands cost?

I would call it more of a truth than belief since for them is not some mystic fairy tale, it is real stuff. Is not like "I believe in Gaia and she is dying..." Our planet is not like the moon Pandora that is actually alive and can talk to its inhabitants. for them Eywa is real because it is tangible, Eywa can be a physical force for them.

Now islands are expensive, If we make the island it might be cheaper.. I think. and to get to alpha Centauri A I hope you mean A. Well we need about 500 humans minimum, with a preplanned mating chart for genetic stability. If you want liberty to choose mates then at least 2000 humans.

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 26, 2009, 02:01:58 AM

I personaly think that b) is the best and most likly since the creation of an island would cost over 20000000, with the original a) idea being about $1000000. C) because crio costs over $20000 per person which is the only way to do that as well as the fuel the way to get up there, back down, state in programs and formost how to breath on the surface.

That aside the next best idea is C) because lets face it, the UN and the rest of the world won't let us have a new country just because we wont to live like the Na'Vi. its all like about economics. if we looked different or like the na'vi, then we would have a chance.

and eywa is my god, i'm crazy, smart, and active but eywa is my god

Eywa ngahu

Eyamsiyu · December 26, 2009, 08:27:19 AM

UPSET THE ESTABLISHMENT!

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 26, 2009, 03:07:24 PM

Woulden't people come to venture into this land (if we get one) because it is a pristen thus losing the escape from the world. besides if my dad's plan to combat climate change came into effect (acording to the amount of people you get so much carbon)
the industrialsits would be all over africa, russia, AND when those are full to capacity then us!!!
then we would lose our new and very old ways. And would we live in a GIANT TREE?

Just Wanted To Rase That Piont

Eywa ngahu

Motxokxen · December 26, 2009, 04:38:52 PM

perhaps making an island would not be the best idea, at least not in literal terms, for no one has made an island more then a few miles off shore (i think) and considering hawaii, from ocean bottom to surface is taller then mt.Everest, we'd need a lot of rock and dirt.

But we could go with the idea of sealand or Seasteading, especially Seasteading since they are a seemingly legit company (we just have to convince them to invest in us)
yet we do have the problem that banshee said, because to date no sea faring artificial island has been recognized by the UN.
now if we have our own floating islan, we come to the problem of limited space, and we have to build it/plant everything.

cryostasis has yet to be fully realized in humans and carries the danger of brain damage. The most recent experiment had dogs blood drained and replaced, then frozen and where successfully brought back to life but some of the dogs had severe brain damage that caused "a zombie like state"
The second method is Chemically induced suspended animation, which worked wonders with mice, but so far tests on sheep and pigs have not shown the same effect.
The third and so far most viable method is Hibernation, but this still requires your body to be active every few months to make sure toxin levels in your body don't build up to dangerous levels. but hibernation does not stop aging and does entirely not stop metabolism.

MOUNTAINBANSHEE · December 26, 2009, 04:55:58 PM

Good thinking. I personly thing we have more likelyness of changing our selves into the na'vi than doing anything else!!!

eywa ngahu

Txur’Itan · December 26, 2009, 04:57:38 PM

Quote from: Motxokxen on December 26, 2009, 04:38:52 PM
perhaps making an island would not be the best idea, at least not in literal terms, for no one has made an island more then a few miles off shore (i think) and considering hawaii, from ocean bottom to surface is taller then mt.Everest, we'd need a lot of rock and dirt.

But we could go with the idea of sealand or Seasteading, especially Seasteading since they are a seemingly legit company (we just have to convince them to invest in us)
yet we do have the problem that banshee said, because to date no sea faring artificial island has been recognized by the UN.
now if we have our own floating islan, we come to the problem of limited space, and we have to build it/plant everything.

cryostasis has yet to be fully realized in humans and carries the danger of brain damage. The most recent experiment had dogs blood drained and replaced, then frozen and where successfully brought back to life but some of the dogs had severe brain damage that caused "a zombie like state"
The second method is Chemically induced suspended animation, which worked wonders with mice, but so far tests on sheep and pigs have not shown the same effect.
The third and so far most viable method is Hibernation, but this still requires your body to be active every few months to make sure toxin levels in your body don't build up to dangerous levels. but hibernation does not stop aging and does entirely not stop metabolism.

I am thinking quantum frizzing using a panning field similar to laser freezing would be the most effective method, but it would be a very complicated emitter system and would have to hit every particle in a picosecond to ensure success (no jagged crystals).

The thawing process is still a challenge, there are any number of bad ways the thawing mechanisms can fail. It is possible that an inverse field working in a similar fashion to the rapid freezing that works like a microwave does, but can have stored oscillation frequencies and "play" them back over the matter in the target atoms, returning every cell back to its original unfrozen state, but also rezist the keneitic energy created enough to prevent an explosion of the tissue.

Meh, too much work. We are probably 50 years away from anything tangible.

Txur’Itan · December 26, 2009, 04:58:59 PM

Quote from: MOUNTAINBANSHEE on December 26, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
Good thinking. I personly thing we have more likelyness of changing our selves into the na'vi than doing anything else!!!

eywa ngahu

Not that I encourage people to deliberately do this. But, this could lead into a trend.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/12/meet-the-man-with-blue-skin.aspx

brionywolf · December 27, 2009, 12:56:31 PM

Quote from: kerofish on December 25, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
Hmm...I consider myself some sort of atheist pagan (is that a contradiction?). I've been a vegetarian for nearly four years because I believe that all life is sacred. (Except for the occasional spider in the shower...) Despite my deep connection with nature, I do not believe in a supreme creator. I side firmly with evolution and random chemical reactions--science. It's hard to balance these beliefs sometimes.

Now, back to that Na'vi commune idea...I've always wanted to ditch civilization in favor of a deserted island with a small colony of people. What if a billionaire bought up a deserted island and claimed it as a sovereign state? Granted, the island may already be a territory of a country, but a girl can dream, can't she?

I am also vegetarian and believe that all life is sacred... but I don't consider myself to be pagan. If you thought of yourself as pagan, purely for those reasons, then paganism would be one of the largest beliefs....
so.. I don't think you should be classing yourself as pagan... not unless you have actually taken up the belief.