Tsu'Tey *spoiler*

Sa'vitri · December 28, 2009, 09:01:26 PM

The first time I saw Avatar when Tsu'tey was shot and fell off of the I felt a slight pang of regret and then moved on. The third time I saw it I thought, "I hope Tsu'tey lived". Are the Na'vi supposed to be almost indestructable? Is it possible he survives for the sequel? Would you want him to?

omängum fra'uti · December 28, 2009, 09:39:36 PM

You have to feel sorry for the guy. He went from being the one to be joined with the clan leader's daughter & second in line as clan leader to just one of the clan, and worse he was overstepped by a uniltìranyu!

Yet, when Jake comes down ready to lead, Tsu'tey puts that all behind him, and does what needs to be done, possibly at the ultimate cost of his life.

I think his story is one of the most tragic in the movie, even though it's only a side plot.

Nume fpi sänume · December 28, 2009, 09:47:11 PM

Agreed, at first I was like "Oh well, he died", but last time I saw it I was like "hmmm i wonder if those shots were fatal...." then I was trying to figure out if he was going to survive the fall. I mean, maybe 2-3 days passed between the final battle scene and the movement of "Jake" form one body to the next...maybe, so who knows he could still be alive.

shiaru · December 28, 2009, 09:59:53 PM

Well it is possible but its up to Cameron to decide about it.

MasterEro · December 28, 2009, 10:03:11 PM

He wasnt to become eytkan through bonding with Neytiti, it was simply going to be his role. He was not dethroned by Jake or anything like that, but Jake did steal his "arranged marriage" love interest. That is probably the first time in Na'vi history that one of the two leaders chose a mate outside of tradition, so the procedure would be up to them. Jake allowed Tsu'tey to remain clan leader, even after becoming turok'makto. at leas that's what I believe

That aside. The bones of the Na'vi are reinforced with carbon fiber, a natural material that is supposedly strong as steel(ish). If you remember, Jake jumps off of the gunsip and falls through the trees, using branches and foilage to break the fall, and he still goes on to fight Quaritch. It tsu'tey was concious for the fall, he could have survived using the same technique. If he did, you would think he could walk to the Tree of spirits, but he doesnt. This leaves me with one of two conclusions. A.) the bullets killed him by hitting a major organ, or they did enough damage so that when he got to the ground, he bled out before making it to the tree. B.) He managed to survive, and he will return in the next one.

I personally think that option A is much more likely, seeing as how there was a time lapse between Jake's ceremony and the battle. But Jim could still be deciding whether or not he's dead. Who knows?

Irayo, ma aysumkan sì asmuke.

Txur’Itan · December 28, 2009, 10:16:25 PM

I feel sorry for Tsu'Tey.

I think gun shots to the mid section, plus 1000 ft fall, plus Jake wearing his neck piece at the end when marching the humans to the shuttle, means Tsu'Tey is out of the picture. At least in regards to his physical body.

If they bring Tsu'Tey back from the dead, that might be Jumping the Toruk, but if they allow for zombies, I am still watching the movie sequel.

Payoang · December 28, 2009, 10:20:46 PM

Quote from: vidvamp01 on December 28, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Jumping the Toruk

You are my new hero.

Tirealì'u · December 28, 2009, 11:22:50 PM

Yeah, I think him coming back would cheapen Avatar a fair bit, and the effects of that battle on major characters.

Txur’Itan · December 28, 2009, 11:36:44 PM

Quote from: Seabass on December 28, 2009, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: vidvamp01 on December 28, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Jumping the Toruk

You are my new hero.

tute nuereime · December 29, 2009, 02:43:37 AM

yea having Tsu'Tey come back would probably underline the movies because how many "you thought he was dead and he was but the movie made enough money for a sequel but now he's back with his own plan" moives are out there?

Nume fpi sänume · December 29, 2009, 02:49:17 AM

Well, as much as part of me wants him to come back, I have a feeling that Cameron wouldnt do something THAT cheesy to his own movie. I would have to agree that it would diminish the effect that his seemingly "heroic'ish death" had at the end if they brought him back.

Txur’Itan · December 29, 2009, 02:58:01 AM

All said, I would like to see a prayer for the dead sequence at the beginning of the next film. It would feel right considering the tone of everything the Na'vi went through. Sure the battle is over, but there is still some need for a time of morning the loss of the loved ones, and to get a feel for how they are still missed by those who live on. Especially in the unique context of having some of their dead tribal members' memories stored in the Tree of Souls "Organic Data Base", would they have storage ceremonies for the ones they lost, would they simply bury them with atokirina' and move on. Lots of rituals to explore.

Jake may have been promoted, but he would have an obligation to the Na'vi considering they have lost so many lives, it could present a poignant although inappropriately humorous adventure for this guy as he tries to navigate all of the families and deal with their rituals or gatherings.

BlueQ · December 31, 2009, 02:30:07 PM

Jumping the Toruk?
That is incredibly sìltsan.

I am going to use that on somebody unexpectedly one of these days just to see their reaction.

bagget00 · December 31, 2009, 05:20:26 PM

Seriously tho, it would be time cons=uming to have jak perform last rights for every Na'vi who died. Otherwise I think it would be irafutable proof of Tsu'tey when Jake is wearing the neck piece, which means they found the body of Tsu'tey and he has risin to clan leader now. It sucks that Tsu'tey died in so ordinary a sci-fi death. oh i'm shot and now fall from on high. The whole carbon fiber thing in the first place was almost too much for me. Maybe if they were made of naturally occuring carbon threads, it may make more sense but carbon fiber is a weave with dried resin to reinforce. Thats why it was never a natural thig. It was made in a lab. But then again, the Na'vi also have a naturally accuring braid in their hair so who knows?

Roiki · December 31, 2009, 06:46:03 PM

Their bones may not be exactly like the woven carbon fiber fabric we have here, but merely contain similiar carbon crystalline threads that give their bones extra rigidity. I thought it was more of an analogy than an accurate discription of it. Similiar carbon crystals occur in nature in diamonds and graphite for example.

I did feel a little bad for Tsu'tey, at one time you're at the top of the world(figuratively speaking) and then some strange outsider comes and takes it all away. Personally i didin't like this kind of setup since it left the character a bit one dimentional, it seemed to work though. If they make him survive it then to me it undermines the sacrifices of all the others that died in the end, not to mention i doubt even a Na'vi could survive multiple gunshot wounds and falling from few hundred meters down.

Doolio · December 31, 2009, 06:47:34 PM

QuoteBut then again, the Na'vi also have a naturally accuring braid in their hair so who knows?

actually they don't:) they just make the braid around their neural thingie so it could be somewhat protected

bagget00 · December 31, 2009, 06:55:53 PM

well it did grow that way on their on for the avatars on the flight out to pandora.

Lehrrap Uniltìranyu · December 31, 2009, 07:16:58 PM

Shot several times at pointblank range, a VERY long fall down to ground level... I can almost be 100% positive that he's dead. Poor Tsu'tey.

Knowing Cameron, Tsu'tey is dead. Poor Guy. Can't help but feel a little sorry for him. A uniltìranyu comes into his world and ends up...

Killing his Father

Mateing with who was supposed to be his Wife

Destroying his home

And in the end, getting him killed, abet in a very 'It may or may not have happened anyway' manner.

Hufwe Makto · January 01, 2010, 10:50:38 PM

it looks like he got shot three times in the chest by what looked like a .50 cal then fell about a thousand feet (probably not accurate). it is possible he survived. due to the denser atmosphere on Pandora and the lower gravity, the terminal velocity would be lower. then if he was lucky enough to miss all the blades of the scorpions and land on some giant soft mushroom like Jake did after he failed at his attempt to follow Neytiri down the fern leaves. maybe one of the other banshee riders spotted him and caught him on the way down and just brought him back to their clan after the battle because the driver did not know where he was from because Tsu'tey fell unconcious...

tute nuereime · January 02, 2010, 01:10:52 AM

Quote from: stingray56 on January 01, 2010, 10:50:38 PM
it looks like he got shot three times in the chest by what looked like a .50 cal then fell about a thousand feet (probably not accurate). it is possible he survived. due to the denser atmosphere on Pandora and the lower gravity, the terminal velocity would be lower. then if he was lucky enough to miss all the blades of the scorpions and land on some giant soft mushroom like Jake did after he failed at his attempt to follow Neytiri down the fern leaves. maybe one of the other banshee riders spotted him and caught him on the way down and just brought him back to their clan after the battle because the driver did not know where he was from because Tsu'tey fell unconcious...

let me get this straight you believe that in the time that he is falling someone was looking at just the right place to see him through the chaos of the battle and was able to dive after him, catch him all without crashing into the trees, getting shot, and not going into a unrecoverable fall. and considering that the gravity is less how long do you think it would take for him the hit the trees?