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I always thought she said something along the lines of "you not Na'vi you're a pig", but after turning on English subtitles, it says (SHOUTING IN NA'VI) - are my ears assuming it's English even though it's actually Na'vi that sounds vaguely like English? Or have the subtitle writers gone crazy?
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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 02:50:10 pm »
Its something like "Never. You will never be one of the People" in Na'vi. What you are thinking is pig is actually 'hapxi' which is Na'vi for 'part of'.
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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 12:22:24 am »
Current theory is....

Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì

Which translates to...

You will never become one of the people!
Ftxey lu nga tokx ftxey lu nga tirea? Lu oe tìkeftxo.
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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 12:31:54 am »
Current theory is....

Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì

Which translates to...

You will never become one of the people!

This. It is incorrectly translated in many places on the internet as "Kawkrr! Krr slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!", but this doesn't make sense. ("Never! Day you will become one of the people!"?) It makes perfect sense as ke and not as krr, and many people (including myself, in the not-too-distant past) have simply taken the erroneously translated line at face value.

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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 03:15:23 am »
Well...

That's what the line makes sense as.  But I still hear something that sounds distinctly trill like on the "ke".  But who knows, movie pronunciation wasn't always great.
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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 09:35:03 am »
Well...

That's what the line makes sense as.  But I still hear something that sounds distinctly trill like on the "ke".  But who knows, movie pronunciation wasn't always great.

Given the state of affairs leading up to this scene in the movie, Neytiri is going to be extremely heartbroken and distraught. Couple this with the fact that she's yelling at Jake and it's easy to see that she's not exactly going to be enunciating everything that she says. I think Zoe did a great job delivering the line, regardless of proper pronunciation; you really feel just how angry and betrayed Neytiri feels. (It takes a lot of work on my part to not tear up during that scene, watching her face go from uncertainty to disbelief to revulsion as Jake tells her the whole truth...there's so much emotion in that scene.)

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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2010, 09:04:52 pm »
Well...

That's what the line makes sense as.  But I still hear something that sounds distinctly trill like on the "ke".  But who knows, movie pronunciation wasn't always great.

Given the state of affairs leading up to this scene in the movie, Neytiri is going to be extremely heartbroken and distraught. Couple this with the fact that she's yelling at Jake and it's easy to see that she's not exactly going to be enunciating everything that she says. I think Zoe did a great job delivering the line, regardless of proper pronunciation; you really feel just how angry and betrayed Neytiri feels. (It takes a lot of work on my part to not tear up during that scene, watching her face go from uncertainty to disbelief to revulsion as Jake tells her the whole truth...there's so much emotion in that scene.)

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To add to it, I just saw that scene, and it's not really a roll of the tounge as much as it was a larger emphasis on the "s" of "slayu."  I agree that it's definitely because of her state of mind, but as far as her speech goes, "ke slayu" is slurred together.


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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 02:03:33 pm »
Well...

That's what the line makes sense as.  But I still hear something that sounds distinctly trill like on the "ke".  But who knows, movie pronunciation wasn't always great.

Given the state of affairs leading up to this scene in the movie, Neytiri is going to be extremely heartbroken and distraught. Couple this with the fact that she's yelling at Jake and it's easy to see that she's not exactly going to be enunciating everything that she says. I think Zoe did a great job delivering the line, regardless of proper pronunciation; you really feel just how angry and betrayed Neytiri feels. (It takes a lot of work on my part to not tear up during that scene, watching her face go from uncertainty to disbelief to revulsion as Jake tells her the whole truth...there's so much emotion in that scene.)

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Yea, that she was able to pull it off in a "green-screen" set and still get that much emotion is amazing.

But yea, it does sound like "ke" and "slayu" are slurred together in her anger, which i would actually say is more of a rage.
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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2010, 12:26:39 am »
Current theory is....

Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì

Which translates to...

You will never become one of the people!

This. It is incorrectly translated in many places on the internet as "Kawkrr! Krr slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!", but this doesn't make sense. ("Never! Day you will become one of the people!"?) It makes perfect sense as ke and not as krr, and many people (including myself, in the not-too-distant past) have simply taken the erroneously translated line at face value.

Omängum Fra'uti eyawr lu. It is definitely "Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!".

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I know I'm going all grammar Nazi but isn't krr time and trr day?

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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2010, 12:52:39 am »
Current theory is....

Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì

Which translates to...

You will never become one of the people!

This. It is incorrectly translated in many places on the internet as "Kawkrr! Krr slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!", but this doesn't make sense. ("Never! Day you will become one of the people!"?) It makes perfect sense as ke and not as krr, and many people (including myself, in the not-too-distant past) have simply taken the erroneously translated line at face value.

Omängum Fra'uti eyawr lu. It is definitely "Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!".

Kayrìlien

I know I'm going all grammar Nazi but isn't krr time and trr day?

Eyawr. Lolu oeru kxeyey.  :P

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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2010, 07:33:40 am »
Current theory is....

Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì

Which translates to...

You will never become one of the people!

This. It is incorrectly translated in many places on the internet as "Kawkrr! Krr slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!", but this doesn't make sense. ("Never! Day you will become one of the people!"?) It makes perfect sense as ke and not as krr, and many people (including myself, in the not-too-distant past) have simply taken the erroneously translated line at face value.

Omängum Fra'uti eyawr lu. It is definitely "Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!".

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I know I'm going all grammar Nazi but isn't krr time and trr day?

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And yes, it is.


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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 07:40:56 pm »
Current theory is....

Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì

Which translates to...

You will never become one of the people!

This. It is incorrectly translated in many places on the internet as "Kawkrr! Krr slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!", but this doesn't make sense. ("Never! Day you will become one of the people!"?) It makes perfect sense as ke and not as krr, and many people (including myself, in the not-too-distant past) have simply taken the erroneously translated line at face value.

Omängum Fra'uti eyawr lu. It is definitely "Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!".

Kayrìlien

I know I'm going all grammar Nazi but isn't krr time and trr day?

"NO SOUP FOR YOU!"

And yes, it is.

It is what? Is it krr or ke? Whats the verdict?
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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2010, 08:15:32 am »
Current theory is....

Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì

Which translates to...

You will never become one of the people!

This. It is incorrectly translated in many places on the internet as "Kawkrr! Krr slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!", but this doesn't make sense. ("Never! Day you will become one of the people!"?) It makes perfect sense as ke and not as krr, and many people (including myself, in the not-too-distant past) have simply taken the erroneously translated line at face value.

Omängum Fra'uti eyawr lu. It is definitely "Kawkrr ke slayu nga Na'viyä hapxì!".

Kayrìlien

I know I'm going all grammar Nazi but isn't krr time and trr day?

"NO SOUP FOR YOU!"

And yes, it is.

It is what? Is it krr or ke? Whats the verdict?

It's "ke," but I was referring to 'Itan Atxur's dilemma between krr and trr.

Ke just makes more sense when translated.


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Re: What does Neytiri say before "You will never be one of The People"?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2010, 04:57:23 pm »
Yea, thats what I thought, but with the discussion, I wasn't sure.
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