Whoa - MAJOR mistake nobody is noticing.

[Robert Nantangä Tirea]

Well remember that there is also less gravity and it is possible that norm, being a scientist, made super steroids from pandoran plants. Ok maybe not the second part but still he could be the reincarnation of The Incredible hulk. Ok not that either but still he might have been an ex-WWE wrestler. That one might be true you never know.

(originally posted by Na'ringa Taronyu)

[Tirea Pa'li]

Another thing that I noticed when watching the movie...

The gunships, according to dialogue in the movie, have no navigation system function in the Hallelujah Mountains. So it would logically follow that they would also not have weapons systems online as well, correct?

It seemed to me that the missile Quartich ordered launched at Trudy that killed her homed in on her aircraft. If they did not have high-tech weapons systems online, how does a missile, that apparently requires input from the gunship, home in on an object?

Ever heard of heat-seeking missiles?

Yes, I'm very aware of heat-seeking missiles, but it seemed that they missile fired at Trudy were the same time that Quaritch's gunships fired on the Hometree, which seemed to require targeting data from the gunship.

They could be manually controlled.

Or maybe by that time they have some kind of homing missiles we cant even think of atm!

[kharul_karyu]

But, wait a minute...where did Norm go?  Didn't he just wake up from his pod, a few minutes ago?  Did he decide to put on a gas-mask and go for an afternoon stroll?

I think I think so. At least, from a standpoint of trying to save himself from being mortally wounded as a human. Call it weak, call Norm chicken (which may be why they didn't show it), the line of defense in survival could be for Avatar drivers to fight in combat and if you are wounded, well, don't get back into the mix because an Avatar body can always be regrown. A human body cannot. I wonder if the driver can wake up after being shot in the head, even. But that's a question for another time.

Surely, he knows enough about Pandora to know that in his puny human body, he needs to stay in his relative protection of the research facility.  He should've been there to place the mask on Jake.  I'm letting Cameron slide on this one, because that scene in which Neytiri saves Jake and they truly touch for the first time is just so beautiful.

Honestly, I think I would have fled the scene. Being a human on Avatar, you're so at risk from a variety of deaths. But I agree, the scene with Jake and Neytiri was one to not mess with, it's absolutely perfect.

[Robert Nantangä Tirea]

I think I think so. At least, from a standpoint of trying to save himself from being mortally wounded as a human. Call it weak, call Norm chicken (which may be why they didn't show it), the line of defense in survival could be for Avatar drivers to fight in combat and if you are wounded, well, don't get back into the mix because an Avatar body can always be regrown. A human body cannot. I wonder if the driver can wake up after being shot in the head, even. But that's a question for another time.

I doubt it. They're more expensive than the amount of money you could possibly make in a lifetime, so from a economical standpoint they are actually worth more than a human life (not the driver's life of course, cause both are needed to make it work). The loss of an avatar would not go over easy. Norm would of course want to rescue his avatar (if that's what he was doing) because we know is personality and the loves the thing to death, but from a training standpoint I think it would e drilled into them early on you do everything possible to save the avatar body.

[kharul_karyu]

I think I think so. At least, from a standpoint of trying to save himself from being mortally wounded as a human. Call it weak, call Norm chicken (which may be why they didn't show it), the line of defense in survival could be for Avatar drivers to fight in combat and if you are wounded, well, don't get back into the mix because an Avatar body can always be regrown. A human body cannot. I wonder if the driver can wake up after being shot in the head, even. But that's a question for another time.

I doubt it. They're more expensive than the amount of money you could possibly make in a lifetime, so from a economical standpoint they are actually worth more than a human life (not the driver's life of course, cause both are needed to make it work). The loss of an avatar would not go over easy. Norm would of course want to rescue his avatar (if that's what he was doing) because we know is personality and the loves the thing to death, but from a training standpoint I think it would e drilled into them early on you do everything possible to save the avatar body.

Maybe you're right. :/ *sigh* *forehead slap*

[Tirea Pa'li]

I think I think so. At least, from a standpoint of trying to save himself from being mortally wounded as a human. Call it weak, call Norm chicken (which may be why they didn't show it), the line of defense in survival could be for Avatar drivers to fight in combat and if you are wounded, well, don't get back into the mix because an Avatar body can always be regrown. A human body cannot. I wonder if the driver can wake up after being shot in the head, even. But that's a question for another time.

Reminds me about the Matrix. They died on the link if they were killed inside the Matrix. Wonder if an avatar dies, will the brain die too, or you will just go out of sync? I must find more info.

[Technowraith]

I think I think so. At least, from a standpoint of trying to save himself from being mortally wounded as a human. Call it weak, call Norm chicken (which may be why they didn't show it), the line of defense in survival could be for Avatar drivers to fight in combat and if you are wounded, well, don't get back into the mix because an Avatar body can always be regrown. A human body cannot. I wonder if the driver can wake up after being shot in the head, even. But that's a question for another time.

Reminds me about the Matrix. They died on the link if they were killed inside the Matrix. Wonder if an avatar dies, will the brain die too, or you will just go out of sync? I must find more info.

According to the original Project 880 script, there was a character who died in his Avatar. He ended up becoming mentally unstable afterward. While that character was omitted from Avatar, Cameron's original concept for dying in Avatar form had dire consquences. In Avatar we don't see exactly what happens when your Avatar is killed. What we see is Norm disconnected and having obvious physical difficulty (either breathing or muscle spasm). It's not discussed in Avatar what happens to Norm. This sounds like something that may be covered in an upcoming sequel.

[Txontaw]

Yeah,
I wouldn't be surprised if something happens to one of the avatar drivers in the next movie.

[Robert Nantangä Tirea]

According to the original Project 880 script, there was a character who died in his Avatar. He ended up becoming mentally unstable afterward. While that character was omitted from Avatar, Cameron's original concept for dying in Avatar form had dire consquences. In Avatar we don't see exactly what happens when your Avatar is killed. What we see is Norm disconnected and having obvious physical difficulty (either breathing or muscle spasm). It's not discussed in Avatar what happens to Norm. This sounds like something that may be covered in an upcoming sequel.

In general I disagree with this idea from a scientific basis. When you get shot, unless you're on an adrenaline high or you are in the correct mental state, your mind shuts down not because you *died* but because the impact and trauma forces you to pass out. You body then bleeds out etc etc and you die thus you never come round again (wake up). When your lose conciousness however you are not instantly dead.

In the case of the avatars, when they suffer trauma so intense that it passes out the driver would simply be "kicked out"of the brain. For analogy, imagine you are remote opperating someone's computer. If they punch the power button on thier computer then you simply receive a terminated connection message and your computer stays on. I would imagine the avatar drivers would simply wake up because there was nothing feeding back to their brain.

Just my thoughts however.

[Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn]

I would imagine the avatar drivers would simply wake up because there was nothing feeding back to their brain.

I don't think it would really be simple in that it would be an extreme shock for someone who just .01 seconds ago was controlling a body that was completely different from their own, also being in a completly seperate location. If you would suddenly teleport onto some asian kids kitchen table in mongolia you would probably have a heart attack. 

[Eyamsiyu]

BTW I just saw it today again.  The OP is right: the queue switches spots (if it's even needed to be confirmed again).

[Esperanto]

I would imagine the avatar drivers would simply wake up because there was nothing feeding back to their brain.

I don't think it would really be simple in that it would be an extreme shock for someone who just .01 seconds ago was controlling a body that was completely different from their own, also being in a completly seperate location. If you would suddenly teleport onto some asian kids kitchen table in mongolia you would probably have a heart attack. 

From re-watching it again tonight... My reasoning is that poor Norm was forcibly ejected from his avatar body through it's death, but judging from his reaction he experienced extreme shock and was reeling from all the pain and suffering that his avatar endured before his disconnection from it. Like a neural kick in the head, his adrenaline and endorphins must have been through the roof causing erratic functioning in his human body not to mention extreme vascular pressure.

[Tirea Pa'li]

I think i have stumbled across maybe one real mistake.
If Jake`s in the mobile lab post how hes instantly popping in the base so the colonel can have his "Havent got lost in woods..." scene whit him? Then he is back in the mobile lab as they come to arrest them! This can be explained by flying around whit Trudy, but... the whole point of why they went out is so they are not around the bad guys. Whats the point in going back then? And then returning to the mobile lab again. Pretty stupid to go back to the guys you are trying to get away from eh?

[Eyamsiyu]

Yeah, something like that, actually: for all of 5 seconds, you see him leave the shack with a gas mask and a gun.

[Kawnga Tawtute]

Norm did one of three things:

1- went to retrieve his Avatar for repair.
2- went to continue the fight on foot, since it was better than doing nothing and worrying.
3- went to retrieve Trudy's body since it was originally part of the movie that they had a relationship.

All are logical and require no fantastic jumps in logic to imagine.

retrieve avatar for repair? it is a 3m high huge organic monster... what are you talking about?
he can neither move the body nore cure it.

[kharul_karyu]

I think i have stumbled across maybe one real mistake.
If Jake`s in the mobile lab post how hes instantly popping in the base so the colonel can have his "Havent got lost in woods..." scene whit him? Then he is back in the mobile lab as they come to arrest them! This can be explained by flying around whit Trudy, but... the whole point of why they went out is so they are not around the bad guys. Whats the point in going back then? And then returning to the mobile lab again. Pretty stupid to go back to the guys you are trying to get away from eh?

It seems to me that he was forced back there for a briefing... as in, Son, you got your legs back. Now get back to Earth.

But of course, he protested. I love how this develops, the more I watch it.

[Taw sì Syal]

Just speculation about what will happen to Norm and Patel after the movie...obviously Norm's Avatar was hit and he probably wouldn't be able to do the concious transferring thing like Jake did. Max Patel, who was the other human allowed to stay on Pandora, didn't have an Avatar also. What will become of these two guys? I guess they will have to remain as humans? let's hope their oxygen masks can hold out for some time!

[Technowraith]

I think i have stumbled across maybe one real mistake.
If Jake`s in the mobile lab post how hes instantly popping in the base so the colonel can have his "Havent got lost in woods..." scene whit him? Then he is back in the mobile lab as they come to arrest them! This can be explained by flying around whit Trudy, but... the whole point of why they went out is so they are not around the bad guys. Whats the point in going back then? And then returning to the mobile lab again. Pretty stupid to go back to the guys you are trying to get away from eh?

There's an assumed time lapse here. Jake returns to Hell's gate for a briefing update. Then he has to go back to the site to uplink for his Ceremony to become an Omaticaya. After that scene is where he becomes mated to Neytiri under the Tree of Voices, then the bulldozer scene, then the raid by Quaritch and his men. In a way it doesn't make sense to go back to site 26 when there were links available in the uplink room at Hells Gate. But to keep with the plot, Jake returned to site 26. It appears that all of his things were moved to site 26 when Grace transferred out there. He had his duffel bag which most likely contained everything he had. So it would make sense in this case to return to site 26.

[Txontaw]

Just speculation about what will happen to Norm and Patel after the movie...obviously Norm's Avatar was hit and he probably wouldn't be able to do the concious transferring thing like Jake did. Max Patel, who was the other human allowed to stay on Pandora, didn't have an Avatar also. What will become of these two guys? I guess they will have to remain as humans? let's hope their oxygen masks can hold out for some time!

Well, you do know that the exopacks just filter the air? You can wear one of those for as long as you want. You only have to worry about it breaking.

[kharul_karyu]

Just speculation about what will happen to Norm and Patel after the movie...obviously Norm's Avatar was hit and he probably wouldn't be able to do the concious transferring thing like Jake did. Max Patel, who was the other human allowed to stay on Pandora, didn't have an Avatar also. What will become of these two guys? I guess they will have to remain as humans? let's hope their oxygen masks can hold out for some time!

Well, you do know that the exopacks just filter the air? You can wear one of those for as long as you want. You only have to worry about it breaking.

The filters function for two weeks before accumulated soot clogs the filter pores. The filter pads can be regenerated by gentle washing with running water and last indefinitely with proper care.

http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Exopack

I hope that isn't true! Nooooorrrmmm! Nnnnooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!