Whoa - MAJOR mistake nobody is noticing.

[Txontaw]

I wouldn't worry about them, they'll find some way to cope.

[kharul_karyu]

I wouldn't worry about them, they'll find some way to cope.

...hence the upcoming sequels?

[Txontaw]

I wouldn't worry about them, they'll find some way to cope.

...hence the upcoming sequels?

No.

'...hence the upcoming sequels?' Has to go after;

Jake and Neytiri's story isn't finished yet.

[kharul_karyu]

Fail, Kha'rul!

Some teacher!

[Taw sì Syal]

Thanks for the input guys I should have known that the masks recycle air, it would still be probably uncomfortable for them to live the rest of their lives in oxygen masks, but if they're among the Na'vi then it would be worth it!

[Eyamsiyu]

Jake said at the end of the movie that "the science guys will keep the place running," so I don't think they'll live the rest of their life like that, but they'll definitely live most of it in exopacks.  In addition, what about food for the humans?

[kharul_karyu]

You don't need to be an Avatar to eat that fruit that Grace tossed to Jake after he ran out of the lab in the beginning, right? I mean, could the fruit even be possible to be poisonous to Humans??? To grow an Avatar just to eat from a sustaining ecosystem (at that moment, anyway) seems to be a little time consuming.

Remember, though... there was a mess hall that Grace explained the Titanothere/Thanator event. If a mess hall can feed hundreds or thousands(?) it can certainly feed a few dozen... at least for a few months?

[Tsa'räni]

You don't need to be an Avatar to eat that fruit that Grace tossed to Jake after he ran out of the lab in the beginning, right? I mean, could the fruit even be possible to be poisonous to Humans??? To grow an Avatar just to eat from a sustaining ecosystem (at that moment, anyway) seems to be a little time consuming.

Remember, though... there was a mess hall that Grace explained the Titanothere/Thanator event. If a mess hall can feed hundreds or thousands(?) it can certainly feed a few dozen... at least for a few months?

Actually, I think much of Pandora is toxic to humans, including the food.  In the ASG, under the Avatars section, it mentions the original avatars were created as for miners.  It mentions one of the reasons was so they could "eat Pandoran foodstuffs".

[Technowraith]

You don't need to be an Avatar to eat that fruit that Grace tossed to Jake after he ran out of the lab in the beginning, right? I mean, could the fruit even be possible to be poisonous to Humans??? To grow an Avatar just to eat from a sustaining ecosystem (at that moment, anyway) seems to be a little time consuming.

Remember, though... there was a mess hall that Grace explained the Titanothere/Thanator event. If a mess hall can feed hundreds or thousands(?) it can certainly feed a few dozen... at least for a few months?

Actually, I think much of Pandora is toxic to humans, including the food.  In the ASG, under the Avatars section, it mentions the original avatars were created as for miners.  It mentions one of the reasons was so they could "eat Pandoran foodstuffs".

The reasons for having the Avatars as the miners is so that they don't HAVE to use humans and all the extra support machinery required for a human to work on Pandora. Using the indigenous natives as the Avatar blueprint allows the "miners" to "pack a regular lunch" so to speak. The Avatar role shifted more toward a scientific use than the original plan as time went on.

While the environment may be toxic to humans, keep in mind that there is a variety of flora on Pandora that cleanses the atmosphere and the ground. The Activist Guide lists several "bio-remediation" species in the Flora section of the Guide. While it isn't enough to make the environment livable for humans, the levels of toxicity probably aren't entirely fatal when it comes to the edible plants and such.

[Tsa'räni]

You don't need to be an Avatar to eat that fruit that Grace tossed to Jake after he ran out of the lab in the beginning, right? I mean, could the fruit even be possible to be poisonous to Humans??? To grow an Avatar just to eat from a sustaining ecosystem (at that moment, anyway) seems to be a little time consuming.

Remember, though... there was a mess hall that Grace explained the Titanothere/Thanator event. If a mess hall can feed hundreds or thousands(?) it can certainly feed a few dozen... at least for a few months?

Actually, I think much of Pandora is toxic to humans, including the food.  In the ASG, under the Avatars section, it mentions the original avatars were created as for miners.  It mentions one of the reasons was so they could "eat Pandoran foodstuffs".

The reasons for having the Avatars as the miners is so that they don't HAVE to use humans and all the extra support machinery required for a human to work on Pandora. Using the indigenous natives as the Avatar blueprint allows the "miners" to "pack a regular lunch" so to speak. The Avatar role shifted more toward a scientific use than the original plan as time went on.

While the environment may be toxic to humans, keep in mind that there is a variety of flora on Pandora that cleanses the atmosphere and the ground. The Activist Guide lists several "bio-remediation" species in the Flora section of the Guide. While it isn't enough to make the environment livable for humans, the levels of toxicity probably aren't entirely fatal when it comes to the edible plants and such.

Where are you getting this from?  All I have is the ASG, which clearly states using avatars would allow them to eat Pandoran foodstuffs.  That's a very strong implication that, without avatars, humans would be eating whatever they could process themselves.  I take it to mean humans can't really just go out and find food on Pandora.  So for instance, if they use native Pandora-based food, it would have to be processed to remove toxins.  Otherwise they eat their own processed stuff they have brought, etc.

[kharul_karyu]

Technowraith, you reminded me of something.

In one of the earlier drafts, the Na'vi were going to be trained to gather Unobtanium once the Humans overwhelmed them socially/spiritually... I guess as was done throughout Human history, which, also presents us (them???) as incredibly lazy.

[Technowraith]

Technowraith, you reminded me of something.

In one of the earlier drafts, the Na'vi were going to be trained to gather Unobtanium once the Humans overwhelmed them socially/spiritually... I guess as was done throughout Human history, which, also presents us (them???) as incredibly lazy.

Tantamount to slavery essentially... Not a pretty no matter how you look at it.

Addressing Tsa'rani:

I have the ASG as well. So my source is the same as yours. The original use of the avatars was for mining. Rather than using humans who require all sorts of life support equipment to work in the harsh Pandoran environment, the avatars would take their place. It's evident that plan didn't work or isn't completely up and running yet. The reason being: How many Avatar miners do we see? None. Assuming the RDA has been on Pandora for at least 5 years, they would have had some sort of Avatar mining force in place by the time Avatar takes place. Instead, the role of the Avatars switched to "scientific endeavors" to study and integrate into the lifestyle of the indigenous Na'vi. In an attempt to either train the Na'vi to do the mining or have enough human-driven Avatars to do the work instead. Neither of these two options seemed to have worked yet, according to what we see in Avatar now. That isn't to say that a sequel will tell us differently though.

[Tsa'räni]

What does that have to do with Pandoran food being toxic (or at least not providing any nutrition) to humans?

[kintìomum]

The only reason I can see for pandoran food being toxic to humans might be the sulfur in the atmosphere.
If that get's into the plant it might get to toxic concentrations, but it's not that common and according to the ASG it seems as if a lot of plants have been tested for their qualities and ability to serve as human food.

I'm not totally sure on the source (ASG or game pandorapedia) but it's mentioned that Hell's Gate has a large bio lab/greenhouse that's producing most of the needed nutritients for the humans out of pandoran plants.
And seeing that Earth seems to rely on algae to create plant-protein and they won't just change the worlds diet to sushi or vegetarian...
Well, modern food science nowadays can do miracles with plant fibres and some basic technology. The right pressure, a bit of temperature and some chemicals for the taste and see: algae in, T-Bone steak out...
(one of the reasons that food chemistry is the workfield with the highest suicide ratio)

[Tsa'räni]

Actually, there are quite a few ways they could reasonably be toxic to humans (note, toxic here does not necessarily mean you take a bite and it kills you).

Can you point me to the places in the ASG where it talks about the plants being tested as suitable food for humans?  That would certainly be a contradiction to what it states in the Avatar section.

[kintìomum]

Sure will do.
Or someone else. Mine is about four hours drive away and I'm returning to it on sunday...

[Tsa'räni]

I should also clarify that the Avatar section doesn't actually state they are toxic, but implies they are not suitable to sustain humans.  That could simply mean they are of no nutritional value to humans.  The exact quote is...

"That avatar project was originally intended to create mine workers who did not need environmental protection systems and could eat Pandoran foodstuffs..."

My point is, there's no reason to mention the Pandoran foodstuffs unless there is some reason humans can't (or I suppose don't/won't) eat them.

[kintìomum]

Might well be the taste.
If you ever tasted some "healing water" from a sulfuric spring you'll know what I mean. And now think of a fruit that grows in an atmosphere enriched with hydrogen sulfide *yuck*!

[pbhead]

Assuming the RDA has been on Pandora for at least 5 years.

at a very, very, very minimum, 35 years. The current line of isv's require unobtanium to construct... so... it would have taken a very very minimum of 7 years (and theres a good chance that that first ship was slower) for that first shipment of unobtanium to reach earth... and then 8 years for each of the ISV's built before the venture star, and then 20 years for the ammount of time the Venture star has been operational. (from earth, to pandora, back to earth, and currently in orbit around pandora)

[Txontaw]

Assuming the RDA has been on Pandora for at least 5 years.

at a very, very, very minimum, 35 years. The current line of isv's require unobtanium to construct... so... it would have taken a very very minimum of 7 years (and theres a good chance that that first ship was slower) for that first shipment of unobtanium to reach earth... and then 8 years for each of the ISV's built before the venture star, and then 20 years for the ammount of time the Venture star has been operational. (from earth, to pandora, back to earth, and currently in orbit around pandora)

They haven't been on Pandora that long.

It's a maximum of 25 years, because thats ~ when they first discovered the life on there.