Finding our location a different way prt.2

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What climate would you like?

Tropical wet
27 (30%)
Tropical wet and dry
56 (62.2%)
semiarid
6 (6.7%)
arid
2 (2.2%)
meditarranien
25 (27.8%)
Humid subtropical
40 (44.4%)
marine west coast
22 (24.4%)
Humid continential
13 (14.4%)
sub arctic
8 (8.9%)
high lands
24 (26.7%)

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Fnua Atxkxe

Good news all ;D In regard to this plot of land here I have made some enquires and there is the possibility of more land, I have been asked how much more land we would be looking for and I was thinking of saying at least 50 more acres. What do you all think?
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Tonbogiri

Just had a look at Fnua's land and Ikrana's land.
They both look amazing!
To me, Fnua's choice seems better due to the high wildlife density and freedom of hunting (of course, Ikrana's choice may also have this), and it looks really pretty!

And check out this part - seems ideal for the tribe to set up there!


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Tonbogiri

Had a closer look at ikrana's suggestion - seems to be focused around forest conservation. This may become an incinvenience for the tribe if we have to go through affairs like that.
NOt that we don't want to sustain the forests ;), but there was a lot of mention on the website about "harvests" and "professional management" - sounds more like timberland.


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Fnua Atxkxe

Any opinions on how much extra land I should say we are looking for? Like I said I was thinking of saying another 50+ (acres) on top of the original 50, or do you think that is being a bit too optimisitic? Would apreciate responses asap so that I can get back to the agent :)
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finding_my_own_way

Even if we did get the plot of land, how would we get all the money together? We're scattered all over the world ( ;D) so....we can do some fundraisers but not really a big centered one or event of sorts. So anyone have any ideas as to what to do about that?  ???

Rwctt

Fnua, the more land the better. The larger area would allow our tribe to put less ecological pressure on one zone and spread it out over more land. 

Ikranä mokri

QuoteEven if we did get the plot of land, how would we get all the money together? We're scattered all over the world ( ) so....we can do some fundraisers but not really a big centered one or event of sorts. So anyone have any ideas as to what to do about that? 

there are a few ways, we could make a forum and everyone donates towards the cause every month (if your part of a gaming clan then you sorta know what im on about)

or teh oldest member of the tribe sets up a bank account for the tribe and we all cash in cheques for the tribe bank account (dont know how well this would work because of different countries) but thats my 2 cents

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Quote from: Tonbogiri on May 06, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
Had a closer look at ikrana's suggestion - seems to be focused around forest conservation. This may become an incinvenience for the tribe if we have to go through affairs like that.
NOt that we don't want to sustain the forests ;), but there was a lot of mention on the website about "harvests" and "professional management" - sounds more like timberland.

yeah tonbogiri, ur right, it was for timberland, although i looked at it because of the expanse and the fact that it was forest and in a valley, it was after about 5 mins that I found it so i didnt research much (too busy revising)





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Fnua Atxkxe

Quote from: Rwctt on May 06, 2010, 08:52:25 PM
Fnua, the more land the better. The larger area would allow our tribe to put less ecological pressure on one zone and spread it out over more land. 

While I realise this if I tell him we are after another 500 acres he will turn around and say sorry and goodbye. I need a figure that we can realisticaly sustain ourselves with (i.e. the bare minimum) Obviously more = better but we have to be realistic in terms of cost plus availability :)

And yes there are various ways to move money around the world these days, it would not be difficult to set up such a thing however I think that it if it is an account it should be held by at least 2 people or even more and that a withdrawal could not be made without the consent of all of them. This is solely for precaution, I am not saying that we do not trust each other but for peace of mind :)
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Ikranä mokri

well 50 acres is quite a lot of land but realistically 100- 150 would be more than sufficent





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Txalion

Though 100 acres would be ideal finding that much land for cheap will be hard. However there is the option of buying a smaller chunk of land and then when more money flows in, buying up more chunks around it. We want a place where we can hunt, that's accesable to water and tropical. We need to look at the smaller options before we try and get to the big ones. Plus, if we buy a small plot and live there for a few years we can sell it and get something better possably. Just an idea.
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Fnua Atxkxe

I will say that we are looking for around about 50 acres more plus would be interested in any land on top of that :)
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Txalion

Okay guys, check this out. http://www.privateislandsonline.com/barnard-island.htm
Now I know it's not perfect but one acre is about the size of a football field. This has 5.2. It has good fishing and good hunting near by. It's socluded and the price is potentialy in our grasp. I say we go for it.
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Txalion

Also guys you realy have to ask yourself if you NEED 50 acres. One acre would suffice for our village and crops. Plus, this place is in Florida, so buying it would be a thousand times easier than outside of the US. It seems like a good place to start and when we get more people and more money, we can sell it if we want.
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Txalion

Also just had another possable way to get the money. We could take out a loan, and all of us would donate to pay off the loan, or we all get small loans and give the money to buy the land. That way it will take less time to pay off all the loans.

Wow I'm talkative. Anyway just a few ideas. Tell me what you think.
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Fnua Atxkxe

I don't want to seem mean but.... There is no way that that is enough land, this is going to be a permanent home and we have to plan to sustain around 100 people just in case of that eventuality. A football pitch seems a lot but when you have to sustain that many people off of the land all year round... you have to remember that there is no popping down to the local store when we run out. There is also no possiblity for exapnsion on that plot of land. I just don't think that that is a realistic location. Add to that the legal complications of moving there for may of us. I think you should read some of the threads we have had where this kind of thing has been discussed. We will need a very large plot of land, 50acres would not be excessive, it would be (only just maybe) adequate. Also there is a modify button for a reason, the mods don't like double posts on here ^_-
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Txalion

Sorry I'm imperfect. :-\ You are right and by the way I saw that newzeland property you found. Looks awesome.
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#96
Thank you for your imput I just have 3 problems

1 5.2 acres isnt that much land I own 6 acres of land outside my house and it is small! 50 + acres would be much better, also the proximity of the village to the tribe shouldn't be close-with 50 acres there is much more land for the tribe to co-exist but exist seperately from the village, also increasing the area of land would increase the are we have to hunt in as well as forage (crops I think have been a no go on a previous thread)

2 The fact that it is in the US is a bad idea, media, amount of people, immigration and the general climate of the place. The rules on hunting in America are also very strict, and to get a license to hunt all year round is nigh on impossible, unless we want to attract media attention!
QuotePlus, this place is in Florida, so buying it would be a thousand times easier than outside of the US
not necessarily, what if it is Fnua who buys the land for us! hes in the UK like me so it will be just as difficult as buying land in NZ.
as an after thought, for what we would want to do we would need planning permission, and from what i know of the American planning office it is notoriously hard to do!

3 Loans wouldn't be a good idea as you know loans have interest, this means we wouldn't be paying for the land, we would be paying extra for the privilege of buying the land. This is why its not a good Idea, If we have the money in a safe place where it is gaining interest and we can take it out buy the land we want and not have to line the pockets of some banker, i think, would be much better.

as a personal note


EDIT: also the fact that we have 4 years means that we dont have to buy now, what if we bought now and teh price of land in the area went down (i know it can go up) we would lose money and that would mean we couldn't buy a second area that was better ( i know the counter argument to this so i wouldn't bother telling it to me)





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Txalion

Hm, you have many good points. Yes, I have seen the flaws in my idea, and noticed that more land would be better. Maybe I should look into the hunting laws of different countries and see how loose or strict they are. Thank you, you have given me something to think about.
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#98
Kaltxì. Oe lu lesngä'ikrr, ulte neu oe til si tute. I have not learned much Na'vi yet so I will continue in Enlish. My suggestion is the Amazon Rain Forrest. There is an amazing fresh water lake near a waterfall in Brazil. There many great animals to hunt, and the poison arrow frogs can be used with arrows to hunt. The price should be really cheap, but I'm not sure about wildlife conservation rules. As for the shelter, the trees provide a great home. We could construct tree houses much like hometree in the movie, only not that big. It could store food and water. Plus many of the poisones animals will not be able to reach us. The only real threat is jaguars, but we can avoid them if we choose a non-territorial location. I'll look up the exact name of the site tomorrow. I will look forward to joining, but I must first finish my degree.

Edit: I did some research on it. It is a few miles North of Canutama in South America. As far as I can see, there are no hunting or trapping laws for any animals in that area. As for the waterfall place, there was. This place still has a fresh water river. There are many food sources here, and if we ever need help, there is a local tribe just down the river. I will keep looking though. Preferably for a mountain jungle with many big trees and a river.

Tonbogiri

Hey there,

It's great to see that there is still enthusiasm for locating ourselves in the rainforest, but we have outlined many difficulties associated with it that may prove troublesome.
For one, very few of us will easily adapt to rainforest life. Temperature, humidity, everything plays a part and the rainforest can be particularly unforgiving if anyone is unable to settle in properly.
Also, you mentioned poison arrow frogs for use in our hunting - this would require specialist skills, so we would need outside help, and if done incorrectly could kill us all...
Another idea you mentioned is the prospect of tree houses. There is a thread for this somewhere, so depending on resources we could easily live in the trees - but this does depend on the type of trees available. In rainforests, the "tree houses" built by resident tribes are often simply huts that are raised off the ground. If trees were used as shelter, then I'm afraid that the poisonous animals WILL GET TO US - most of them are insects, and a tree trunk is no obstacle.
I see you have considered the threat of jaguar attack, and while that is a definite threat, jaguars have recently become much more rare. Our prime focus is finding a location which we can have basic survival needs met - we will worry about hostile animals when we find them.
My final concern is that you mentioned a "tribe just down the river". While this would be an invaluable resource, we would also be breaching their territory. With my knowledge of current tribal situations, it appears that all of them are running out of land that they can use. If this particular part of the rainforest can only support one tribe, then it would be unfair to put more pressure on them with us.

Still, it is good to see that there are still people joining us, even as we move away from the release of Avatar and interest dwindles! We are glad to have you on board.

(Just thought I'd jump in here before Ikrana Mokri dives in and makes a blunt remark... ;))


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