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Location: Climate Research
« on: May 04, 2010, 02:15:33 pm »
While Skype is going to be our primary means of discussion I think we should begin collecting our research (whatever we have), I've started this topic so we can post research on different climates. The idea being that we all understand the characteristics of possible climates so we can then move onto vegetation and biome and even 'final location' knowing we are heading in the right direction.   

In the long run a wiki could be used but the forum is much easier for everyone to check up on.

I think it could be helpful to first post summaries of all suitable climates, and then more in depth information on the most popular. Somewhat like a short-list.

So, here's my summary of a Tropical Wet (Equatorial) Climate. Using the Köppen climate classification system.  ;) It's not entirely finished, need some keen anthropologist to do the last bit. Anyone ;D.

Tropical Wet (Af)
Temperature:
  • Annual range 2oC.
  • Average daily temp. 28-32oC.
  • Diurnal temp. range 2-5oC.
Rainfall: Average monthly precipitation exceeds 60mm all year.

Location: 5-10o N/S e.g. Northern Brazil, parts of the Amazon.

Vegetation: Tropical rainforest.

Hunter-Gatherers  (traditionally) Inhabiting Climate:
 
Probably should include some references. Need to find Encyclopædia Britannica...

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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2010, 01:23:11 pm »
It's good to see more people on it. The only problem I have with your method is that it means a lot of work for a very specific area, if it's not suitable then it's a lot of wasted time.

I was hoping we could work down from broad categories like climate before selecting individual locations. That way even if we decide against a particular climate it rules out many locations and is still a good use of time, otherwise we might decide that one country is not suitable but still not have a strong idea of what we do want. What do you think?

Also, is the U.S. really a viable option? It is one of the most challenging locations politically and I can only see that being worth it if it was completely ideal.

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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 05:59:49 am »
sorry too butt in like this ( i will research after my exams promise) but

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It is indeed!  And I think you mean challenging legally, rather than politically. The politicians are quite too busy with their Wall Street to care about the woods. 
The Bureau Of Land Management is in charge of a lot of the national forests and they offer some of their land for sale and/or lease. They also have a stewardship program, so in exchange for taking care of the forest (which we would be doing anyway) we might be able to bargain for permanent/semi-permanent land rights. And hunting (in season) and fishing are allowed as long as the hunter/fisher has a hunting and/or fishing license (which makes sense to me. I wouldn't want a hunter around that has no idea what they're doing.)

the legalities of immigration are tight in the US so some of us would never make it, even if we re-applied. also you point about hunting- it has to be in season and seeming as we aren't bringing guns to the tribe its gonna make hunting much more difficult, especially if we dont have the animal which is in season on our land, and we would all need licences, which is another legal problem. the media is also a bad idea for going to the US as they will (in most certainty) call us Crazy Avatards, who have taken teh film  to far and are now gonna live like them, we are not, because this sort of media give JC, Dr Frommer, and the Forum a really bad name!





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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2010, 08:14:29 am »
Ikranä posted some good points. I too was wondering what would be happening about getting INTO the country and LEGALLY be allowing to live there. Some countries, although they may have great places for us to live, may not even allow us to live there. From what I've heard it can be pretty hard to get a visa to live in another country if you aren't applying for a job there or anything...
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2010, 10:43:23 pm »
I'm all for finding a place in the US personally. And I agree with Levrrtepa Menari, if we don't act like Avatards, there's nothing so strange about a group of people "Camping" together. Besides, do we really want media attention anyway?
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2010, 06:30:31 am »
So, exactly how are we supposed to get US Visas if the majority of the people AREN'T going to be working?
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2010, 06:57:26 am »
Basicaly we can't, and I am going to get off the fence and be a bit blunt for a change. Ever notice that everyone who is for the US is in the US? Okay it's great for you being near you and all but it is impossible for us :(
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2010, 09:29:32 am »
Just in the interest of moving back on our topic, we should decide how we are going to research locations. Researching every possible location (like levrrtepa said) is a massive amount of work, but I agree as to the benefit of real world examples.

I think it would be best to approach it from the broad categories because they include real world examples, I don't see it as being as effective the other way round. For example if we decided on a climate first (all of which are to be found as real examples) we might rule out Scandinavia completely, with only 5 minutes actually looking at Scandinavia to find the climate is totally unsuitable (not that I am saying it will be).

I think we should make a decision on this and set out a definite plan as to what we need to do, that way it's easy for everyone to contribute.

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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2010, 10:41:38 am »
Well I know that climate and whatever are important. But I don't see the point of it being a lovely location and climate only to then discover after all that research that we can't even get into the country. It's ìust going to end up being a waste of time.
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2010, 12:03:53 pm »
@tirea kaya'evengä

I couldn't say it better myself. :)

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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2010, 02:00:31 pm »
Maybe an easier way to get this work done is provide some sort of guideline so that people can get appropriate information that can be compared with other data that has been collected?
Such as:
Immigration Laws
Climate
Local eco-system
Other laws, etc...
Bit of a crap list but my minds gone a bit blank xD
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2010, 02:39:27 pm »
look im with fnua with this and i have some counter argument for u levrrtepa

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I'll help you out a bit. The argument you should have made is that most of the people who are arguing for the US are already in the US, therefore they don't have to deal with getting visas. Ain't I such a nice person, helping you out with your argument?

If your going to look at it like this then you will fail ! there are others who want to do this not just you Americans, you think you rule the world and people have to listen to you, but you cant waltz into something I have spent almost 3 months of my life on and try to change it!

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There's this handy little loop-hole for getting a green card for an "alien fiancé(e)." Now before you all think I'm crazy, let me explain. This is the loop-hole, the Petition for Alien Fiancé(e)s. Check out the 2nd pdf: "Download instructions for completing Form I-129F." The only requirements are that the persons involved are married within 90 days of the "alien fiancé(e)" entering the country and that they have met in person within two years before filing the petition. After that, the "alien fiancé(e)" can apply for citizenship, and once that's obtained, the marriage can be terminated. The requirements for the Naturalization for Spouses of US Citizens are the the applicant must:
- "Be a permanent resident (green card holder) for at least 3 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400, Application for Naturalization"
- "Have been living in marital union with the U.S. citizen spouse, who has been a U.S. citizen during all of such period, during the 3 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application and up until examination on the application"

you may not realise but your government actually does checks on the couple directly because of this reason. if they feel that you arent in love (as u r supposed to be with your spouse) then they may very well say "no get out"

also criminal records ( i know most wont have any) but if you do a government will turn you around and send you back to your country of origin!

loop holes may exist but because lots of people exploit them, the rules about them are much stricter than anything else





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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2010, 02:49:08 pm »
In response to the thing about visas, didn't someone mention there being something about being able to live there because we'd essentially be conserving that natural habitat, as opposed to squatting in some random forest or something?
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2010, 04:03:35 pm »
And also regarding marriage, what about anyone who might already be married (don't know if there are or not on here, think not but...) adn I know there is something else about having realtives in America which doesn't help mr as I know I for one have none D: Plus also no-one has succeeded in pointing out any postive locations in the U.S that we could stay in. I mean at least for the other ones there have been people who have produced evidence that shows look, here is what we are looking for. With the U.S there has been no suggestions (not saying there are none but no-one has presented any) and I am all for not going to NZ if it turns out to be impossible of course, I am more than happy to consider other locations other than this and I am more than open to researching and hearing about other locations. I am also open to hearing about the U.S  but in my opinion, for all the reasons that I and others have posted in the past I don't think that it is a good idea. As I say though, prove me wrong :D
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2010, 04:55:04 pm »
In response to the comment that there's no point finding somewhere with an ideal climate/vegetation/&c. if the country is no good. It was my intention to use climate &c. to narrow down the possible countries or regions, then we see which we can actually get into.

I'm not saying they all have to be perfect, we could end up with 10 or so countries with viable conditions then focus on these. Can we even get in, if so more detail on hunting laws, vegetation, everything... Then (after 2 years or whatever) a final decision.

Basically, at the moment, we don't even know if the U.S. falls into the conditions we want to be living in. We don't even know what they are and we are arguing about immigration laws when we don't even know if we want to be there.

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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2010, 04:57:41 pm »
Okay, understood. How should we go about this though, because it needs to be organised and not just random people chipping in odd bits of information or two or more people doing the same area.

Maybe a possible idea would be to assign people areas with a mini list of things to research? And then we can come back, compare and then go from there? Otherwise we could just end up with a mass of information..
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2010, 05:09:43 pm »
@tirea: That's exactly what I was thinking.

All we need is to set up one thread as a centre for research. We could include a list of topics we need to research (in the appropriate order) and what has been and needs to be researched. Then people can check the thread, find a topic and contribute on it. If they post what they are doing we can stop having too many people on the same issue.  

What does everyone else think about starting broad and narrowing down to get a list of viable countries or regions?

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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2010, 05:24:50 pm »
@tirea: That's exactly what I was thinking.

All we need is to set up one thread as a centre for research. We could include a list of topics we need to research (in the appropriate order) and what has been and needs to be researched. Then people can check the thread, find a topic and contribute on it. If they post what they are doing we can stop having too many people on the same issue.  

What does everyone else think about starting broad and narrowing down to get a list of viable countries or regions?
Yes! Absolutely! But you already knew that from my first two posts in this thread. You know, the ones where I said what stuff I was researching and the locations I thought we should research? Ah, but I've been told I'm too sarcastic.

Well, like I said in my first post, I'm all for this. You've got my support.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2010, 05:27:03 pm by Levrrtepa Menari »

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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2010, 04:36:01 am »
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also criminal records ( i know most wont have any) but if you do a government will turn you around and send you back to your country of origin!
And this is a bad thing.... why?

because I happen to have a record for some stupid stuff I did when I was younger, Trying to keep that under wraps but you forced my hand

and i found some links about the green card fraud (which is technically what we are performing)
http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/RADARreport-VAWA-Funded-Immigration-Fraud.pdf



http://www.russian-detective.com/scams/marriage/kolisnichenko_v_wnuk.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_(United_States)

http://www.fraudaid.com/scamspam/lottery/green_card_scam/index.htm

http://www.immihelp.com/greencard/familybasedimmigration/marriage-based-greencard-fraud-interview.html

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/greencardlotteryscams.php
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Re: Location: Climate Research
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2010, 05:22:25 am »
Mawey tsmuk..

Enough arguments now. Let's just leave all that crap behind us, and just get on with the job at hand. Let's try for no more personal or cultural pokes. (And stop posting quotes at each other  ;))

'Eylan: What kinda "broad" things would we be looking for?
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