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Offline Nìmwey

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What is happening here?
« on: June 17, 2011, 03:01:38 pm »
Don't take this as an offense - but I find this particular category quite confusing. :)
What locations are really being looked into? How are they good and how are they bad?
Which have been ruled out? Why?

Etcetera. ;)
I just think you (I say you since I don't know if I'll be going with you or not) should get a move on, and I'd be glad to help. :)

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2011, 05:12:42 pm »
I sympathise, I keep having to be away from the site for various lengths of time due to work and life in general and I find it quite confusing to keep up with too, trawling through the threads makes good reading though  :P
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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2011, 04:53:21 am »
I don't know if you've looked Costa Rica up, but look what I found (on the site of another group - yes, an ecovillage ;) - living there):

# Escape the cold and snow and discover the tropical, mild year round climate that eliminates major heating and cooling costs, allows you to spend more time outside year round, and grow almost anything: chocolate, citrus, nut and fruit trees in your backyard - the costa Rican government even gives away free trees and grants money to plant them. Mold and biting insects are NOT issues here.

# Explore the stunning natural beauty throughout the country, and feed your sense of adventure in a new country and culture - visit hot springs within half an hour drive, waterfalls, rainforest, mountain tops, 45-60 minutes to pristine beaches and world class surfing, beach scene with fishing, ultralights, sushi, etc., or deserted tropical beaches.

# Live near the beach in a tropical mountain paradise WITHOUT the heat and bugs that come with living ON most beaches.

# Travel with ease and comfort with or without a car on Costa Ricas paved highways and excellent public transportation and shuttles.

# Have peace of mind that the environment is politically stable. Costa Rica is a democracy with no military and a modern legal system - ensuring your personal safety, the security of your investment and your ability to set up a business if you so choose.

# Preserve your wealth by choosing an investment that will appreciate as the value of the Dollar continues to fall. The Dollar has fallen 30% against the Euro in the past year, and 25% against the Costa Rican currency in the past five years - and experts agree it will continue to fall. See these videos and articles from CNN, Forbes, BBC and more on the decline of the Dollar and US economy. (And then there's a link to http://www.dreamthefuture.org/crecovillage/currency.html)

# Visit and stay long term in Costa Rica with their liberal visa program and unlimited visa renewals.

# No baloney: Dealing with bureaucrats and local authorities is much smoother and easier in Costa Rica than other countries. There is a low rate of corruption and bribes. 

# Enjoy a high quality of living, pride in the place you live, and a guilt free existence knowing that you are living in a country with nationwide precedents in environmental responsibility – 25% of the country is set aside in natural reserves, and efforts to be the first carbon neutral country on the planet. This also means lots of parks and preserves to visit, the landscape and views and watershed are protected.

# Second paved road to the beach is approved, and expected in the next 2-3 years, reducing travel time to the coast. New southern zone international airport slated for completion in 2010.

Okay, this may be a little sugar-coated, but I'm still wondering - is this for real? ::) If so, it seems worth looking up, don't you think?

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2011, 08:58:20 am »
costa rica is a wonderful country but the laws aren't good for the tribe ;)

i searched alot for locations in southamerika/costa rica, you can read it in our threads, the laws will not allow our idea :(

we want to live as a hunter/gatherer-tribe, or not? (+little part of agriculture)

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2011, 09:57:15 am »
Hmm, I try to search both through the forum and via google (site:forum.learnnavi.org "Costa Rica"), and can't find any real discussion on Costa Rica, just some vague posts mentioning it.

But anyway, if that's the case, back to my original question. :P

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2011, 04:36:00 pm »
At the moment we're rather stagnant and definitely disorganized. Many people say they have exams but I believe a lot of us (including myself unfortunately) are just taking a break.

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 11:20:08 am »
I have continued to research Costa Rica during the last few days and can still not understand what exactly might hinder the possibility of us living self-sustainably in the country?
Please tell me so I'm not wasting my time. ;)

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 11:27:40 am »
I know that I haven't done any research on Costa Rica and I may be wrong, but I'm not sure anybody else here has done any real research on it either. If it's as promising as you say, I'll definitely start looking into it :)

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 01:54:58 pm »
It does look promising. In my long list in the other thread, CR is at place four of twenty, with very high rates in health, and even though they have some diseases, it's not a lot to worry about.
My only issue with it (that I know of yet) that might make me not go there is that I want to bring mah parrots, and though I am allowed to take them with me, I can never take them out of the country again. So if I change my mind after moving there, I either have to stay anyway or leave my birds behind.

This is the page where I have gathered a lot of my info on the country, especially when it comes to diseases: http://www.therealcostarica.com/

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 01:58:02 pm »
take a look at the law, hunting is NOT allowed, gathere wild fruits is NOT allowed, and so on

austria has many tropical stations in costa rica, i wrote a few e-mails to them and they told me that our project is NOT possible in costa rica, our biggest chance is ecuador (and if we need help, they'll support us)
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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 08:29:10 am »
austria has many tropical stations in costa rica, i wrote a few e-mails to them and they told me that our project is NOT possible in costa rica, our biggest chance is ecuador (and if we need help, they'll support us)

that's great news that we have available support from them!
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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2011, 10:04:27 am »
Then I'm guessing Costa Rica is out of the question (also, birds can't be exported under any terms, so I would never be able to take my parrots out of the country). And Cuba is ruled out because of the whole situation the country appears to be in - I also removed Belize (this is all on my own list then ;)) as well, tiny country, most of it are reserves. (Which is of course excellent, but not for us.)
Left is Spain (mainland might be a little cold in the winter, but there's the Canaries and Balearics), Uruguay, Peru, Paraguay, Colombia, Mexico and Panama. Venezuela might be interesting too, even though it didn't make it on the final "top ten".

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2011, 06:17:29 am »
Well, all my exams are over, and I am back for good!

In terms of location...why don't we all pick a country, do as much background as possible, then report back here with findings?

I was planning to research Argentina. So left are:

Spain (plus islands), Uruguay, Peru, Paraguay, Colombia, Mexico and Panama.


To quote: "Venezuela, that was some mean bush. 'Aint nothing like this here though...you got some hard kids showing up in this neighbourhood". Heh Heh.




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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2011, 05:17:57 am »
So left are:
Spain (plus islands), Uruguay, Peru, Paraguay, Colombia, Mexico and Panama.
Yes, those are the ones left from my "private" list of 20 latin american countries (plus Spain) that I shared with you, but you may of course look up other parts of the world, such as Indonesia. ;) I have no interest of going to Indonesia, so that's why I haven't looked into those countries at all, but who knows, you might still find them promising.

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2011, 07:50:06 am »
There is of course also Puerto Rico, but it's kind of like Hawaii in that it belongs to the US (but it's not a true state of America), so the immigration laws are the same as for the US.

And look what I found: http://www.uruguaylands.com/
http://www.landsinuruguay.com/
Haven't really looked it up yet, but it's land for sale in Uruguay.
The Balearics: http://www.balearic-estates.com/
The Canaries: http://www.cancasa.com/
Mexico: http://explore.mexicolandcatalog.com/
http://www.topmexicorealestate.com/land.php

BTW, Paraguay is basically out of the question for me, as it seems 93% of all forests have been cut down and replaced by soy fields. :(
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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2011, 09:53:37 pm »
Thanks for the awesome research :)

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2011, 05:57:06 am »
Despite of all my research, I can't find anything about hunting in Colombia. Could someone else try? (Just make sure to type -Columbia.;)) (Like "Colombia hunting -Columbia".)

I'm almost starting to think it will be really hard to find a country fitting us, and that has animals that can be hunted year round. If that's the case, maybe we will have to rethink the lifestyle and depend less on the wildlife and more on breeding our own animals.
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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2011, 04:24:33 am »
Gosh, there is so much more about choosing location than I initially thought. Since this will be the country we're (I say we even though I'm not sure I will be going with you, specifically ;)) going to live in for the rest of our lives, we have to check more than just hunting laws, illnesses and such.
I have brought up the topic about homeschooling, and think that should be an option even if some may want to send their children to school (like I said, so it's an option), but then today I came to think of abortion.

This is not a discussion about what we think about it, but I think the option should be there if someone gets pregnant and doesn't want to have a kid - so I'm looking up countries where it's illegal.
http://www.socialistunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/abortionglobally1.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/AbortionLawsMap.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law (Look up the picture at the top there, it varies somewhat in all the tree pics but I suppose that one is the most up to date.)

BTW, I managed to look up big game to hunt in Spain yesterday, and boy, it's a lot, we'll have big game to hunt year round if we settle in Spain. (I could not find anything about rabbits or birds there though.)
This is the beginning of a list where I'm going to put all huntable (weird word) animals in all the countries I'm looking up now (Spain, Uruguay, Peru, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela), but I have only managed to find info about Spain so far.

Barbary sheep, Ammotragus lervia
Southeastern Spain (Oct-feb), Mexico
Mallorcan wild goat/Baelarean boc, Capra aegagrus
Mallorca (Year round?)
Spanish Ibex, Capra pyrenaica
Spain (Sep-may)
Roe deer, Capreolus capreolus
Spain (Apr-sep)
Spanish red deer, Cervus elaphus hispanicus
Various areas of Spain (Sep-feb)
Fallow deer, Dama dama
Spain (Sep-feb), Uruguay (?)
White-tailed deer, Odocoileus virginianus
Peru, Colombia, Mexico, Venezuela (No info about hunting regulations yet)
Mouflon, Ovis aries
Spain (Sep-apr)
Pyrenean/Cantabrian chamois, Rupicapra pyrenaica
Spain (May-nov, R. p. parva, Apr-may, Oct-dec, R. p. pyrenaica)


Or just look this link up: http://www.simplyhuntingwithpaul.com/spain_hunting_season.html

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2011, 03:29:57 pm »
I started looking into Venezuela more recently, but they seem to do the smart thing like Costa Rica and Panama, and more or less ban hunting.
http://venezuela-us.org/2011/05/31/venezuela-bans-hunting-of-wild-animals-in-ten-states/
With that in mind, and the fact that they never "scored" very high on my list to begin with, I think I'll remove Venezuela from my list now.

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Re: What is happening here?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2011, 09:45:21 am »
That may be a good idea. As I recall, the immigration for venezuela was a little tricky anyway - I wasn't sure we would even all be able to get in.





PS. Apologies for my absence. Despite the end of exam period, family holidays have now risen to take their place, and while I love my family lots and lots, it does mean internet access is very limited. My research capacity is impaired somewhat!
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