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Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« on: September 28, 2010, 03:00:56 pm »
While browsing through the web looking for some more details about geraldo island, i stumbled over a site caled Project Anononia
i just glanced through their site. but what i've read is that they seek to escape modern civilisation and establish a self-sustaining community. they try to establish a community which is more centered around individual freedom, i.e. every "anononian" gets a part of land to grow their food which they may barter with, or keep for themselves. [...] you have complete freedom up to the point of where someone else’s freedoms may be broken.[quoted from the site]

In my opinion it sounds pretty much like giving up only the money but keeping the common selfishness, but who am i to judge them? ;D

Geraldo island was one of their possible locations (that's why i stumbled over them), but they decided to locate on an island called 'French Island' in Argentina.
the interesting part is that thy are much further in planning and organisation as we are ATM. Perhaps we could ask them to lend us a hand, to share their knowledge with us.

here's some kind of report in PDF format, which could serve us as a base for the organisation of the dry run and we could also investigate about the other mentioned islands/locations later.
And here is the most up to date report, again as a PDF file

the only thing which worries me a bit is the fact that this project was brought into being on the 1st of April...
« Last Edit: September 28, 2010, 05:43:48 pm by Nantxe'lan »
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 04:47:20 pm »
Woooow!

I feel especially humbled. This group has flown right past us! It seems that the way they went was to first, before anything else, decide on a location from a list of around 10. Once that is out of the way, the rest comes much quicker!

And they were after Geraldo as well. Great  minds think alike, so I think that they present a good opportunity to use their location research for our own purposes.

So, the similarities with us:
They too want to become self-sufficient;

Hmm. Actually, they are different in many ways too...
Individualistic view, rather than our communal idea;
Keep most modern tech/lifestyle;


I am just worried that a) they may have rushed through this; and b) they may be over-complicating things by demanding independence from any country. While that is a possibility for us, it might make the whole process far more difficult.

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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 05:26:38 pm »
Yeah, that date makes the whole thing a tad suspect...

But even still, there idea focuses too much on the individual and leaves too much room for greed and selfishness IMO.



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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 05:42:24 pm »
Whooooop!!! My very first Karma Cookie!!! I'm honored!  ;D

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But even still, there idea focuses too much on the individual and leaves too much room for greed and selfishness IMO.
exactly.

well...
of course, demanding sovereignty is something which could be an option for us for later stages of planning or even after the tribe is established and worked for a period of time - if at all.

but no matter how much of their "experience" we could use for our own reason, one thing was allready usefull concerning Geraldo (look at the appropriate topic)
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 08:39:36 pm »
I really don't think claiming sovereignty would be a good idea.  Countries don't just let you claim to be your own ruling body.  Otherwise, there would already be lots and lots of "free nations" in the US alone.  In general, nations are very hard pressed to find a reason to let go of it the lands and people it rules over.

All in all, I just think sovereignty is not something that is going to be even the least bit of an option.  Look at how hard the Native Americans had to work to get their nations to be considered a separate entity.  They earned it by ancestry.  A group of settlers who just wander in from another country/countries and decide they're going to be their own sovereign nation is going to get laughed at, at best, and a firestorm of trouble at worst.  I'm sure it would be seen as rebellion.

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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 09:39:56 pm »
Wow, nice find! It's great to know there are other groups out there that share a similar dream of living off the grid, out of society, like we do. Though I do agree that their views do seem a bit too libertarian. Any one of them by chance named Andrew Ryan? ;D And seeking sovereignty does seem like pushing it a bit. If they want it, they're going to need to prepare for a war. Countries don't just give up land willy nilly.

I do hope that this is real, and not just an April fools joke (though it does seem a bit too well thought out and intellectual to be a prank), because they seem like a generally good example to follow in regards to finding and settling land. Plus it will be interesting to see how they deal with technology, and incorporate those techniques into the few technologies we plan on keeping.
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 10:33:42 pm »
the name is suspect too. I suspect the internet group "Anonymous" is largely behind this, hence anononia. I suspect mostly a fringe group coming from a project that i used to be largely involved in called project sovre/i/gnty supported by the partyvan now and formerly the insurgency wiki. This groups main goals is to create a governing body that is based off of a system similar to how the internet is governed where each separate entity within the whole project makes the rules in it's personal territory. The basic idea is to translate the controlled anarchy that is the internet into a tangible nation.

But that's just the conspiracist in me ;D i will be looking into anon to see what's going on with this project as of now maybe i will find something :-\

edit: confirmed to be the group anonymous. project sovereign has been ditched and this seems to have taken its place however it is not on the partyvan which means it is safe to assume that it is not cancerous and is legitimate especially after reading most of their forums. from what i have seen it says the project started on the 2nd. this seems to be a rare breed of anon that comes from the beginnings of the group before it got cancerous (newfaggotry, trolls, the works).

 I dont like to generalize (especially considering the civility of their forums) but i think it would be safest to assume that this group might very much love to troll us seeing their association with anon. we could be some free lulz in their eyes and some pretty easy ones at that. I would suggest that our initial contact with them should be as anonymous as possible to avoid the whole "LOLOLOL They're super gay for avatar letz trollz them LOLOL" they seem respectable but that might be very misleading. If you are confused as far as what they could do to mess with us look up "ruin life tactics". I used to be one of those people and we were more than capable of ruining someone's life look up jesse slaughter for an example if you haven't already heard about that incident, a drop in the bucket compared to other RL trolling.

 I look too paranoid so i'll stop there
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2010, 11:34:56 am »
Wow, scary. :-\
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2010, 12:40:24 pm »
Yeah I've been afraid of trolls from the #chans ever since i this forum started. my fears are most likely unsubstantiated as there hasn't been one raid yet on us but i like to stay vigilant. You should just do whatever you feel is okay dont take my word as fact I'm just a little worried for us.
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2010, 01:36:16 pm »
I used to be one of these people and we were more than capable of ruining someone's life look up jesse slaughter for an example if you haven't already heard about that incident.
Slightly disturbing :o... As long as you've put that behind you. I agree, it appears suspect.  

Could you fill us in on your concerns.

Edit: Interestingly, we also considered French Island, Argentina... ::)

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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2010, 02:31:15 pm »
what a weird bunch of... well, i better save the last word to me.
so, does that mean if we manage to set up the tribe and achieve the money before anononia does, we can't buy french island, because if we dare to do so, any site which has a minor connection to us will most likely be "hax0red" or atleast trolled?

anyway. i guess we agree to have a lookt at their achievements so far but without contacting them?
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 03:07:22 pm »
well as i said they seem to be the old sort of anon, the kind that only ruined lives when people deserved it i.e. corrupt politicians, secret oranizations like the church of scientology. They seem to be able to conduct civil conversations amongst themselves which is quite the step up from the state of anonymous now. They're probably safe as i have seen no direct connection between them and a certain #chan that would suggest the possibilty of a large population of underaged trolls and no connection to any of the /i/nsurgency wikis that would suggest a large population of angry 30 y-o nerds that still live in their parents basement.

EDIT:
Part of their mission statement:"These changes represented the large shift in attitude for the members of the forums from a sub-group trying to carry out a task under the Anonymous banner to an organised, focussed and serious group of people attempting to change their lives for the better. The changes meant a move away from Anonymous, and a move towards real progress which could well be the first stepping stone for Anononia to not be a dream, but to become more of a reality."

proving their safety we should be able to proceed with little worry of the internet h8 machine ;D in fact i have nothing to do right now so i think im gonna go ahead and contact someone in charge or just talk in the forums for a while.
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2010, 05:45:36 pm »
Yeah I've been afraid of trolls from the #chans ever since i this forum started. my fears are most likely unsubstantiated as there hasn't been one raid yet on us but i like to stay vigilant. You should just do whatever you feel is okay dont take my word as fact I'm just a little worried for us.

Apparently most of the civil boards, like /tv/, actually liked Avatar. Though I agree, there's enough /b/rain dead idiots running around out there to pose a problem if they got word of this place.

But as long as this is the non-cancerous Anon, I think they could be a good alli


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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 08:36:03 pm »
 You can find my introduction to anononia here. i think i left it pretty open to account for my lack of knowledge of our progress still. Maybe the rest of you could join their forums and participate in some conversation with their leaders if they ever finally take notice in my post. They seem to be even less active than us right now, that's not very promising...
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 11:14:46 am »
Letxuma, can you fill me in. Who are these people? Also, what is #chan? A bit direct there, sorry. :-[

They don't seem the most welcoming bunch, maybe a bad first impression.

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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 11:32:25 am »
 There is a loosely affiliated group of image boards that are based off of japanese image boards. The one thing usually in common is they refer to themselves as chans, short for channel a japanese concept based off of the original image board they got their concept from 2ch.jp or something like that. The most popular english image boards are 4chan.org, 7chan.org, 12chan.org, and 420chan.org but there are many more
 
While most boards on these websites are generally "chill" (especially 420chan) the notorious /b/ usually is the ruling board with the highest user numbers posting in these boards. /b/ stands for random somehow, dont ask me :-\, and the people that collect in this board have created their own title and sub culture they refer to as anonymous or shortly anon which is just a representation of the anarchy on the boards that is brought on by the lack of accountability that each user has because all posters are given the title of anonymous and the only form of identification they have to account for is their IP address which only mods can see.

 Anonymous has tackled many feats in its relatively short lifetime and the creator of 4chan has made national news a few times for his website's great success but /b/ has recently declined into a bunch of underage kids and trolls rendering the social capabilities of the group practically useless for anything other than threatening and harassing 11 year old girls (see jesse slaughter for a recent idea of anonymous' "achievements") and "pizza bombing" people who make idiotic videos on youtube i.e. Fred (he deserves whatever they throw at him ;))

 There are however groups of anonymous in some less trafficked and generally little known #chans that retain the original goals of anonymous (those goals are arguable and usually are argued about).

TL;DR: Go to 4chan.org and see for yourself.
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2010, 10:36:41 am »
I am a member of anononia.org. Thank you for your interest, first of all.
Secondly, this is in no way official contact between our communities, I just would like to clarify a few points regarding our organisation.

We originally started on a chan in a single thread and discussion, and became an official project soon after. Yes, the date we started on is unfortunate but we are not a prank, or a scam.

We realised that our connections to Anonymous would mean that we would be taken less seriously, and have been severing ties to them. We also held a poll to choose a new name, which was "The New Wings Project", and will be changed some time in the future. We no longer recruit from the chans, because of the general population being what it is.

We have not been hugely active lately because most of us are in our late teens to early twenties, and have been busy with our education.

As for a coalition or friendship between us, I can't decide. This would be a matter for our admins to discuss.

Quote from: 'Itan Atxur on September 28, 2010, 03:26:38 pm
But even still, there idea focuses too much on the individual and leaves too much room for greed and selfishness IMO.

While our project is focused around the ideal of individual freedom, we are aware that it will be necessary to work together to form a functioning community, though perhaps not communal to the extent that you plan to be. It has not been decided yet.

http://i37.tinypic.com/izot8i.png

This was a recruitment poster that I created which gives a clear overview of us and our current goals. One minor change from this is that we are no longer certain if we will be using an island for our community.

Feel free to ask me any other questions, though, and I will attempt to answer as best I can.

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2010, 12:29:12 pm »
I think most of us here would agree that we are interested in sharing information and also perhaps be introduced to the way your organisation works. Your organisation seems to be far ahead in terms of research and I'd say we're keen on speeding things up a bit here as well.

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2010, 12:31:09 pm »
It's good to see someone from the other side! I have just recently joined your forum also. We're at about the same place age wise most of our members are teenagers and college kids. when i suggested a meeting of our leaders it seemed that your group wanted to wait until you elected your "official" leaders.
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Re: Project Anononia - something similar to the tribe
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2010, 12:39:25 pm »
What was meant was that we have no leaders until our representatives are elected in the actual community. Online, we don't and will never have a leader. We would probably choose one or a few people to represent us in a meeting.

 

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