My thoughts of total Na'vi conversion....kind of. Maybe. Hm.

[Mindas Arran]

The atkins diet was flawed in that people tended to go crazy on meat and proteins which stresses the liver and kidneys considerably. The other fact is that eating things like bacon and hot dogs (both examples of high nitrate foods) spells dietary disaster.

Regarding the OP, the biggest flaw that I see is that you're caloric intake is going to be considerably low. Too low for an athletic lifestyle, IMO.

[Txon Taronyu]

Actally animals eat all the time when they can get food LIke ALL THE TIME if a wolf can get food it will even if its not hungry sinse it just keeps it until it needs it so actully fasting in the day and eating at night is not what they do

[Tíloran]

Ok, not sure where I'm not getting my message across.

Dealing with caloric intake, you eat until you are full during your main meal.  The goal is to listen to your body.  You will get enough calories, I get enough calories, your body will get enough calories.  Just listen to your body and it will tell you what you need.  If you eat your main meal and are still hungry after waiting twenty minutes, then eat some more.  Trust me, the calories are there.

Now for animal dietary habits.  http://www.wolfsongalaska.org/wolves_what_food.htm

When animals eat constantly, and I mean constantly, all sorts of health problems begin to arise.  Yes a wolf will eat constantly when presented food.  Food isn't normally presented in a consistent basis to a wolf.  A wolf does have periods of fasting, while it waits for food.  Hence it's stomach has evolved to accommodate this time of fasting.  Eating all the time isn't natural.  Grazing isn't natural if you are not a heard animal.  We are not heard animals, we are hunter/gatherers.  I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong here.

[Txon Taronyu]

No you misunderstand me herbivors eat all the time day and night carnivors go days without food much longer then humans can last and then when they have food they eat much more than need so it can become fat and they can live on that but that is not healthy for humans we are omnivors if you look at a racoon what does it do it gathers food and eats it so and it does that all the time it just eats very small amounts often we are not wolves we are more like racoons and other omnivores
Also hunter gatherer people would not not eat in the day they would eat just like us now 2-3 meals of normally amounts so you can ether be like a real animal omnivore like a racoon or just eat more meat and be like a hunter gatherer. But what your doing is not actaully very natural.

[Ikranä mokri]

dude sorry to put the biggest downer on this ever but were not hunter/gathers anymore our lifestyle is to sheltered and dependant on factors that now rule our lives. for example electrisity. we seemed to be able to live without it but now if electrisity goes we would descend into chaos, total anarchy.

the fact that in western society we have a constant supply of food available to us as well as clean water etc means we have lost our hunter/gatherer traits like we no longer have rough soles on our feet but their really soft. we no longer build up muscle from a young age or break bones or anything really and its all because of soiciety

dont get me wrong i think what your trying to achieve is awsome and im definately going to try it but you have to take into account that this is the 21st centry and western society is the most bubble wrapped in the world

[Tíloran]

No you misunderstand me herbivors eat all the time day and night carnivors go days without food much longer then humans can last and then when they have food they eat much more than need so it can become fat and they can live on that but that is not healthy for humans we are omnivors if you look at a racoon what does it do it gathers food and eats it so and it does that all the time it just eats very small amounts often we are not wolves we are more like racoons and other omnivores
Also hunter gatherer people would not not eat in the day they would eat just like us now 2-3 meals of normally amounts so you can ether be like a real animal omnivore like a racoon or just eat more meat and be like a hunter gatherer. But what your doing is not actaully very natural.

Yes we are omnivores.  We are still hunter gatherers.  I think I understand where the mix up is happening.  Controlled fast, ma tsmukan.  Controlled fasting does not mean completely without food.  In my original post I give an example of my daily diet when I first started out.  Yeah I eat during the day, but I keep it to fresh fruits and vegetables, with juice every now and then.  I add an egg in there if I want some more protein.  So in essence, you are absolutely correct, we cannot fast.  We must eat, but I was saying a controlled fast.  Not a hefty meal three times a day.  Just micro meals and then the real meal at the end to compensate the day's expenses of effort.

I think that is where the mix up is coming from, ma oeyä tsmukan.  I could be wrong, but please let me know if I'm still not getting this right.  Irayo.

[Tíloran]

dude sorry to put the biggest downer on this ever but were not hunter/gathers anymore our lifestyle is to sheltered and dependant on factors that now rule our lives. for example electrisity. we seemed to be able to live without it but now if electrisity goes we would descend into chaos, total anarchy.

the fact that in western society we have a constant supply of food available to us as well as clean water etc means we have lost our hunter/gatherer traits like we no longer have rough soles on our feet but their really soft. we no longer build up muscle from a young age or break bones or anything really and its all because of soiciety

dont get me wrong i think what your trying to achieve is awsome and im definately going to try it but you have to take into account that this is the 21st centry and western society is the most bubble wrapped in the world

You still have the same monkey brain that existed ten thousand years ago.  You do not have a modern brain, I do not have a modern brain.  We all still run off of instinct.  If we didn't, psychology wouldn't work, neurosciences wouldn't work.  We live in the 21st century, ok.  We have soft feet, ok.  From dis-use we lose things, true.  Yet we can condition the body back into shape.  People who sit in a cubicle behind a computer can develop a rather large hind side and loose all muscle mass except for their arms.  Does this mean they can't get into shape because they live in modern times?  It only means that they need to condition the body back to what it was.  People can develop callouses again, we can have tough bones again.  It takes work, and unfortunately HARD work, but it can be done.

We can do this, and it is in our nature.  We are still hunter/gatherers, nothing changed.  Only the cage we made for ourselves, and how we go about fulfilling our instinctual wants and desires.  We, ourselves, have not changed since our first ancestor became Homo Sapiens Sapiens.  What our evolutionary trait was instead of adapting to our surroundings better, we made our surroundings adapt to us.

[Txon Taronyu]

did you read my point

[Ikranä mokri]

you still have to change peoples preception to be hunter gathers. how many people from a noramal background in teh city lets say new york, who could be given a bow, knife, or spear and be told go and kill an animal then i want you to gut, skin then carry the carcass back to you house where i want you to eat it

i very much doubt that people would want to do it, if somone sees how thier steak which has been put in polystyrene and covers in plastic was actually made from a cow and they see teh whole process they hate it they can stand that the animal has been killed.

this is what i was sort of driving at

and i agree with you about the monkey brain but our neo-cortex ( which i think is the part that deals with instinct and stuff) is much smaller and we use it less and less just like our little toes. and it will take hard work but it takes hard work to do anything at all. and it will take generations to get our bodies back to that sort of toughness.


but i still agree with you

[Txon Taronyu]

I see what your going for but eating is not going to make us as tough and like the hunter/gathers so I you only sort of have a point with the food its not really going to help us its more likley to just make us less focused over the day from lack of food and Also we need our energy more in the day when we burn it off then at night when it will just get stored so actualy what you are doing wont really help

[Tíloran]

Kaltxí, ma oeyä aytsmukan.

I see I have yet again failed to make my point across.  The first part is our brains that used instincts so long ago, has not changed.  It has not shrunk, it has not de-evolved, it has not mutated it has not evolved into something else.  We still have the same brains that our hunter/gatherer fore bearers had to keep them alive.  Nothing has changed, only priorities.  As for our bodies, they are, more or less, the same.  We have not changed over these years only adapted to a more routine oriented life that doesn't involve the levels of survival we had to deal with.  Our bodies are no different then those tribes people who live in the Amazon.  Our brains are no different then those people who fight lions.  We are all the same, just accustomed to different environments.  As for it taking hard work to do anything, I disagree.  It's not hard work to sit on my butt and do nothing.  It's not hard work to drive once you know how.  It won't be hard work to hunt and gather once you've done it for a while.  The body adapts wonderfully to different situations.

As for people not having the stomach to hunt and deal with their meat as they have received it, well I would like to point out two things.  One, I'm addressing this mentality later, and two if you didn't want to hunt then don't hunt.  You can gather, or don't be Na'vi.  I'm thinking most people here wanting to be Na'vi are willing to hunt or take up a different role of gathering perhaps.  Either way, I will talk about the mind later.

As for less focused over lack of food, that's not what the science points out, and not what I'm saying.  During the time when you are awake you are not going without food.  You are eating raw vegetables and fresh fruits during the day to stave off hunger and keep the system clean.  Fruits have energy, vegetables have energy in them.  You are also focusing more on letting your body burn the carbs you acquired from the night before.  Let your body burn the fat you stored, let it absorb the nutrients from the night before.  You will stay alert, you will not get drowsy.  You will be more alert and you will find you have more energy because you are not wasting it digesting large meals when you need to be doing things.

During the day you are controlled fasting on vegetables and fresh fruits.  This allows the food from last night to be used because your body is alkaline.  The alkaline system will digest vegetables and fruits more efficiently, allow nutrient absorption and burns fat.  During the night, you switch over the an acidic system, which processes high fats and protein easier.  This is where you get the nutrients to repair tissue, you don't have hormonal fluctuations due to insulin spikes because you are sensitive to insulin right now.

Also we need our energy more in the day when we burn it off then at night when it will just get stored...

That's the point.  You have the fat stores.  Use them up first.  Then add the food.  Let me rephrase that.  Day time is eat foods that your digestive tract is ready for.  Cold foods, fresh fruits and vegetables small amounts of protein (SMALL).  Night time, eat to your heart's content until your instincts tell you to stop (when you become more thirsty than hungry drink water and wait 20 minutes.  If you are still hungry go at it, rinse lather repeat).

Is this helping any at all?

[Ikranä mokri]

like i said i agree with whole heartedly but i wouldnt lecture me on hunting or hunter/gathering. iv been going off on my own since the age of 10 with 4.10 poaching shotguns, air rifles all sorts of stuff and using them.

im trying to make my own leather atm but i dont rabbit skin works well


but i do agree with you

im just bring up points that other will bring up later so best to get em out of the way now

[Tíloran]

No no, I'm not going to lecture on hunting and all that jazz.  I went to school for Hypnotherapy, Neurolinguistic Programming and Psychology.  I was planning on helping people experience the actual feeling of being Na'vi.  Getting their minds into the habit of thinking more natural.  Just doing some basic meta programmes so they can experience natural life.  So to speak.

For the mental part it was my intention of letting people actually experience their imagination.  Now if people don't want to get hypnotized that's fine.  They don't have to.  It was just a thought.  Realistically I don't have to I suppose.

[Ikranä mokri]

no its a good idea but you have to think laterally really cause there are people on here who are talking  about like preceptive dreaming and liking up in dream's. whether -it works i dont know but if you likned them onto this or put this in training to be simalar to na'Vi as a diet thign it probably would be better

[Txon Taronyu]

Do what ever you want but I have read about this and found it is better to eat 3 meals a day or just eat like 5 small meals a day but I have heard that what you do is not actually healthy

[Tíloran]

Okay, tsmukan.  In the end, that is kind of the only point.  Do what you feel is right and listen to your body.  If eating like this diet helps, groovy, but if something else works for you go for it.  Our's is not the only way, our's is merely another way.

[Txon Taronyu]

True
Well everbodys different so train yourself to listen to your body and find out what it needs and follow your own natural partern that is what is good just listen to your body and forfill its needs but don't over do it by giving it its every wish and want

Oh and I just looked in the Family Medical Book and it says and I quote that eating one big meal and snacking the rest of the day is not healthy it says that eating smaller meals is better look it up so eating three to five meals over one day is better then eating one really big meal but still your onto somthing with this idea

[Tíloran]

Thank you for shaking my hand with your right hand and then slapping my face with your left.  Either disagree with me or don't.  Like I said the science is there and I live it personally.  Either agree that this has potential or simply out right say, "I think you are full of it and this is detrimental to people's health."

As for Family Medical Book, what page, what edition, who was the commenting doctor that offered the information?  My sources are easy, you can look up what the respective hormones do or read Warrior Diet.  It's all there.  I'm not trying to be mean or angry, but it seems like you are double speaking.

I don't mind if you don't agree with me.  Just say you don't agree with me.  Since you have asked me to look up your source please give it.  Page, edition of the book and publisher.

Blah...  I don't want to rant on eating.

ULTIMATE DISCLAIMER!!!

This is what I do.  I do not have adverse health effects, I am quite healthy and doing fine.  I do not imply to force this on anyone nor is it my intention to prescribe a diet plan to anyone.  I am not a doctor; I have only done my own research regarding this area for my (read MY) own interests.  I share the information I have gathered from studying here for the entertainment and educational purposes for those interested.  If you have an objection to any claim made in this article please offer up evidence regarding the nature as to why said article is not applicable or capable of fulfilling claims.  Not trying to be rude, but simply saying X-book says so is an Appeal to Authority and is a logical fallacy.  Please expound as to why the book says what it says.

I don't know...maybe I should just keep my opinions to myself.  I'm losing the motivation for now.

[Txon Taronyu]

Kaltxi
Im so sorry  I have been stresed lattley and when i get stresed I aguee with everything
but now that my stress is gone ( finished exams) im sorry I actualy do think this is a really interesting idea that I may want to do
and about that book its really old and its just for normal situations but we are doing is different.

Im sooooo sorry 

[Tíloran]

It's fine.