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Offline Sherilyn

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Occupied Wall St.
« on: September 24, 2011, 01:07:48 pm »
This is happening, yet no US news agency is covering it, and very few international agencies are aware of it.  Catch the live stream here:  globalrevolution - live streaming video powered by Livestream

Over 2000 people protesting, over 2000 watching the live stream from around the world.

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 06:58:01 pm »
What exactly is this?

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 10:50:28 pm »
It's a group of over 2000 people (more on the way) basically occupying Wall St.  Fed up with the bankers' bailout, state of the economy...
News organizations are just beginning to cover it and most of those folks have been there over a week (base camp is Liberty Park).  The livefeed today had over 7000 international viewers.  There has been police brutality.  I usually give them the benefit of the doubt, but there are so many cameras there, there's no doubt.  One officer maced 4 women, point-blank, while about 5-8 had them corralled with the orange plastic netting.

It's an interesting news event not being covered widely by the mainstream media.  If the mods here disapprove, feel free to remove this topic.  Really, it's OK.   :)

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 06:21:44 pm »
I certainly see no reason to mod this topic so I'll definitely keep it open. The other mods may object but I doubt they will. Nonetheless, this part of the forum doesn't get much traffic. I would recommend reposting it elsewhere in addition to this part of the forum. I was merely curious about what they were protesting, though I can see how my first post might easily be interpreted otherwise.

Anyways, it doesn't surprise me in the least that this is getting little to no coverage. It looks like Michael Moore is there now so while I'm not completely sure what the protesters are there for, it's a pretty safe bet I support them. I wish I could go or at least donate, but I can't do either :(

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 02:44:52 pm »
France 24 has got an entire article that has been written with the help of contributors. Read


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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 02:10:20 am »
Thank you for the link, Tsmuktengan.  The movement has grown over the past few days, and there are about 70 cities internationally which will be holding their own "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations.  I watch the livestream daily.

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 02:23:50 am »
I'm disappointed but not terribly surprised this movement isn't gaining more attention in this country. :P

I think if there is some way they could unify enough to have someone speak for them/represent them for a little while it'd be a good way to force people to listen.
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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 04:46:12 am »
I'm not that sure. A good spokesmen or spokeswomen would only give a personality and make a little more noise in the press, but would not change the bad wheels that are running the world right now. At least, that's my opinion.

The issue is not Wall St. by itself, although it can be considered as a symbol since it is one of the world's major trade place. But the issue is in the entire financial system that is instable since the late 70's if I'm not wrong, international safety rules that have been disabled (dollar used to have a fixed alignment on gold price) and the banking area not reinvesting in the real economy.

This will only be solved by reorientated financial politics in several countries. I don't see where's this Wall St movement is going for that reason. It is like protesting only against the Belo Monte dams, forgetting that each year there is twice the surface that would be flooded that is actually being burnt illegally and in total impunity. Things aren't that simple.

That's also why it may not get a huge media coverage. Without a clear direction, there's no productive/interesting information to show/sell.

That's only my opinion though. I'm certainly not an expert.


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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 05:03:16 am »
It's a group of over 2000 people (more on the way) basically occupying Wall St.  Fed up with the bankers' bailout, state of the economy...
News organizations are just beginning to cover it and most of those folks have been there over a week (base camp is Liberty Park).  The livefeed today had over 7000 international viewers.  There has been police brutality.  I usually give them the benefit of the doubt, but there are so many cameras there, there's no doubt.  One officer maced 4 women, point-blank, while about 5-8 had them corralled with the orange plastic netting.

It's an interesting news event not being covered widely by the mainstream media.  If the mods here disapprove, feel free to remove this topic.  Really, it's OK.   :)

The part bolded isn't the entire story. Both sides remain completely behest of innocence. Neither the police or protesters can claim moral high ground right now.
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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2011, 09:58:58 pm »
It's a group of over 2000 people (more on the way) basically occupying Wall St.  Fed up with the bankers' bailout, state of the economy...
News organizations are just beginning to cover it and most of those folks have been there over a week (base camp is Liberty Park).  The livefeed today had over 7000 international viewers.  There has been police brutality.  I usually give them the benefit of the doubt, but there are so many cameras there, there's no doubt.  One officer maced 4 women, point-blank, while about 5-8 had them corralled with the orange plastic netting.

It's an interesting news event not being covered widely by the mainstream media.  If the mods here disapprove, feel free to remove this topic.  Really, it's OK.   :)

The part bolded isn't the entire story. Both sides remain completely behest of innocence. Neither the police or protesters can claim moral high ground right now.

Doesn't surprise me at all. While the person can be smart and calculated and remain in control, "people" tend to forget themselves and do very stupid things. I don't doubt for a second that both sides have more people doing this whole thing peacefully but a few who are out of control.

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 11:19:18 am »
Doesn't surprise me at all. While the person can be smart and calculated and remain in control, "people" tend to forget themselves and do very stupid things. I don't doubt for a second that both sides have more people doing this whole thing peacefully but a few who are out of control.

I think as well, although the New York police isn't always delicate.  :)


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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2011, 10:04:44 pm »
These are all over the country now. Pretty sweet. Might take a swing over to Occupy Chicago when I get back from a college visit on Friday. :)


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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 10:17:06 pm »
It's a group of over 2000 people (more on the way) basically occupying Wall St.  Fed up with the bankers' bailout, state of the economy...
News organizations are just beginning to cover it and most of those folks have been there over a week (base camp is Liberty Park).  The livefeed today had over 7000 international viewers.  There has been police brutality.  I usually give them the benefit of the doubt, but there are so many cameras there, there's no doubt.  One officer maced 4 women, point-blank, while about 5-8 had them corralled with the orange plastic netting.

It's an interesting news event not being covered widely by the mainstream media.  If the mods here disapprove, feel free to remove this topic.  Really, it's OK.   :)

The part bolded isn't the entire story. Both sides remain completely behest bereft of innocence. Neither the police or protesters can claim moral high ground right now.

It's important to remember that not only are the protesters human and prone to human mob stupidity, the police are also human and prone to human mob stupidity, and sometimes those two mobs interact in ways that are bad for both.

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 11:16:03 pm »
These are all over the country now. Pretty sweet. Might take a swing over to Occupy Chicago when I get back from a college visit on Friday. :)

I know, it's great!   :)
I'm watching the livestream from DC now.  A guy in my city organized one in a nearby (larger) city.  I'd go, if I could get a ride.  I'm still not driving (multiple hip and spinal surgeries beginning Feb '10, most recent one was May '11) and I'm just learning to walk all over again.

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2011, 12:37:35 am »
I've been watching more and more videos of people going down there an asking questions of the protesters and what not. Now these are independant videographers that are doing this. The more I watch them, the lesser and lesser the credibility of not only the message that is projected is getting, but the credibility of the protesters themselves are getting less and less. A lot of them are there simply because its cool and they spit out the same ignorant and uninformed message over and over again. A lot of them are running off complex lies based very remotely on a little tid bit of what -could- be truth. I can not take these protesters seriously anymore, and admittedly I have been skeptical this entire time.

Nevertheless, the very sad thing is despite many of these protesters being wrong on so many points that they thing they are right on, that they will gain the favor of the media and people will start taking their (almost straight out) lies seriously.
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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2011, 05:48:50 am »
I've been watching more and more videos of people going down there an asking questions of the protesters and what not. Now these are independant videographers that are doing this. The more I watch them, the lesser and lesser the credibility of not only the message that is projected is getting, but the credibility of the protesters themselves are getting less and less. A lot of them are there simply because its cool and they spit out the same ignorant and uninformed message over and over again. A lot of them are running off complex lies based very remotely on a little tid bit of what -could- be truth. I can not take these protesters seriously anymore, and admittedly I have been skeptical this entire time.

Nevertheless, the very sad thing is despite many of these protesters being wrong on so many points that they thing they are right on, that they will gain the favor of the media and people will start taking their (almost straight out) lies seriously.

We had this in Europe as well. The same thing happenned in Paris in some way and I share this view.


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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 12:56:53 pm »
They need to be better organized, and have a do-able or at least workable list of clear objectives.

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Re: Occupied Wall St.
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2011, 04:59:25 pm »
While I'm not happy with Wall St either, I also get the impression that none of the protesters save for the leaders have any idea why they're there.

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