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Offline owen_thornton

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Animal names
« on: January 17, 2011, 09:15:12 am »
just a thought, would animal names (of our creatures) stay the same in converstaion? or would we need to come up with new names for them?
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2011, 09:17:33 am »
yeah. of course the Na'vi wouldnt say

Oel tsole'a thanatorit trram

but instead would say

Oel tsole'a palulukanit trram

Im not 100% sure if that's what you meant or not..

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2011, 02:27:41 pm »
I think at the moment, we just have to deal with the English names for them until we get further word.  For instance, Lu pxaya monkey kelkumì oeyä.  Or Oel pheasant-it tìmaron.

There are some animals, though, that we have.  For instance, tsyìräfì is a (Frommerian) loanword from English for "giraffe."  Also, with general animals like a fish (payoang) or a bird (yayo), people use the Na'vi word (the idea of a bird or fish is similar enough on both Pandora and Earth.)

However, I saw someone translate "doggy" as nantangtsyìp, or "little viperwolf."  Technically, this refers specifically to a viperwolf and not a Terran dog, but on Earth we know what he's getting at.

If you just want to say "animal," though, and don't need to specify, use ioang or perhaps even swirä.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2011, 02:35:34 pm by Kì’onga Vul »
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 02:36:10 pm »
I think at the moment, we just have to deal with the English names for them until we get further word. 

There are some animals, though, that we have.  For instance, tsyìräfì is a (Frommerian) loanword from English for "giraffe."  Also, with general animals like a fish (payoang) or a bird (yayo), people use the Na'vi word (the idea of a bird or fish is similar enough on both Pandora and Earth.)

However, I saw someone translate "doggy" as nantangtsyìp, or "little viperwolf."  Technically, this refers specifically to a viperwolf, but on Earth we know what he's getting at.

If you just want to say animal, though, and don't need to specify, use ioang or perhaps even swirä.

OOHH I get it now. yes, I agree with this. You can use loans, or just use the pandoran animal closest.

I believe I started nantangtsyìp to mean dog ;D (as heard on TireaRadio, the recording of me and Prrton chatting) (I dont remember seeing it before I said it in that conversation) He knew what I was talking about and he even LoLd a little bit. it came up because my dogs started barking >.<

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 02:50:02 pm »
Tirea thought that you were referring to Pandoran animals..


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Re: Animal names
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 02:56:27 pm »
Nice question! :D

I wonder if Frommer is going to loan other animal names! :o But as mentioned by Kì'onga Vul, at least we have the equivalent of fish and bird, which is already not bad. :)

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 10:59:28 pm »
Eltur tìtxen si...

Generally, for 'Rrtan equivalents of known Na'vi names for Pandoran animals, I just tack a -tsyìp onto the end, n.k.:

Palulukantsyìp - Cat
Nantangtsyìp - Dog
Pa'litsyìp - Horse
Syaksyuktsyìp - Monkey

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 11:16:41 pm »
I feel like a cat would have to be more like a Palulukantsyìptsyìp.   :P
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 05:18:37 am »
i only asked because i was thinkin about changing one of my signature quotes, to something about my Dæmon. although i know that ill definately never find a translation for Dæmon and will probably have to use soul XD
"and so it ended, not with a bang or a whimper, but with nightmarish howls of glee" grubbs grady
"male tomboy, running, jumping, climbing trees and putting makeup on while ur upthere" points if u know this comedian
"you can never step in the same river twice" cannae remember XD but i likes it
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 05:19:51 am »
i only asked because i was thinkin about changing one of my signature quotes, to something about my Dæmon. although i know that ill definately never find a translation for Dæmon and will probably have to use soul XD
The word for demon is vrrtep.
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 05:21:52 am »
Daemon is not the same thing as a demon. Although I'm not sure if Owen talks about a pet named Daemon or an actual entity?
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 05:24:01 am »
its not demon in the sense of satans versions of angels, but dæmon as in the his dark materials stories, for the conscience part of the soul, that takes an animal form on the outside of the body. i think there is something very similar described by one of the ancient greek philosophers XD
"and so it ended, not with a bang or a whimper, but with nightmarish howls of glee" grubbs grady
"male tomboy, running, jumping, climbing trees and putting makeup on while ur upthere" points if u know this comedian
"you can never step in the same river twice" cannae remember XD but i likes it
"yesterday is history, tomorow is a mystery, but today is a gift, thats why it is called the present" master oogway

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 05:29:26 am »
I was thinking an entity is not a good term. xD because if it is a part of you then it is not a separate being and then "entity" isn't correct. I'll see if I could find some kind of a translation.

Edit//
Do you think you could describe your daimon in a few English words, like "guide spirit" for example, if it is your conscience? That then could be translated into na'vi.

Edit2//
Or would you consider your daimon to be your spirit animal? I would pretty much consider them to be the same thing, as spirit animals are often considered to be guides. Spirit animal=tireaioang. That would even be a genuine Na'vi word.
I'm overusing the word "consider" xD
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 05:45:30 am by lumivalko »
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2011, 06:11:08 am »
Demon, daemon, dæmon and daimon all mean the same thing in English. The meaning used in "His Dark Materials" is Phillip Pullman's own invention and does not reflect the actual meaning.

As a translation of dæmon as it is used in HDM I would consider tireaioang to be near-perfect.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 06:14:06 am by Carborundum »
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2011, 06:23:58 am »
Quote from: Carborundum
The meaning used in "His Dark Materials" is Phillip Pullman's own invention and does not reflect the actual meaning.
he took the idea from something, i think, Plato wrote about, im not completely sure it was that philospher, and the name of it was daimon, its not the same thing thing really, and in english demon is completely different, they, my friend, are satans equivalent of angels, twisted into horrifying shapes

but thanks both of you for the help, and i will be using tireaioang when i mess with my signature XD
"and so it ended, not with a bang or a whimper, but with nightmarish howls of glee" grubbs grady
"male tomboy, running, jumping, climbing trees and putting makeup on while ur upthere" points if u know this comedian
"you can never step in the same river twice" cannae remember XD but i likes it
"yesterday is history, tomorow is a mystery, but today is a gift, thats why it is called the present" master oogway

oeyä tireaioang syaw fko Aruthey.

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2011, 06:34:17 am »
Carborundum, may I suggest you visit wikipedia? Although the idea of daimons appearing as animals is probably Pullman's own idea (or affected by spirit animals) daimon=/=demon. Pullman is not the creator of daimons as guide spirits!  ;D
Actually the words daimon, daemon and demon have originally nothing to do with the evil spirits depicted in bible, I would actually say that Christians' starting to use the word daimon when talking about evil spirits was merely a way to blackmail guide spirits - and thus make the people to think they are evil, thereby they stopped to believe in daimons as guide spirits.
If this makes sense in any way.
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2011, 07:09:33 am »
Carborundum, may I suggest you visit wikipedia?
May I suggest you consult the Oxford English dictionary?
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Re: Animal names
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 07:23:49 am »
I don't own one. Please quote it for me.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 07:28:50 am by lumivalko »
Siyevop nga nìzawnong ayukmì, vaykrr oengeyä mefya'o ultxaräpun fìtsap nìmun.

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2011, 09:36:44 am »
GUYS, dont fight, ints unbecoming of you both. language is always changing, and so what something once meant, isnt what it means (for the most part) now


but does this seem logical?
oeyä (tireaioang) syaw fko Aruthey. Po na lynx
my (daemon) is called Aruthey. She is a lynx
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"male tomboy, running, jumping, climbing trees and putting makeup on while ur upthere" points if u know this comedian
"you can never step in the same river twice" cannae remember XD but i likes it
"yesterday is history, tomorow is a mystery, but today is a gift, thats why it is called the present" master oogway

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Re: Animal names
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2011, 10:23:58 am »
It seems logical to me but I don't know almost anything about Na'vi but I have to say that that is so sweet!<3
Siyevop nga nìzawnong ayukmì, vaykrr oengeyä mefya'o ultxaräpun fìtsap nìmun.

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Ngal yamom fì'ut srak?!

 

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