Back to the meaning of "äie"

[just_for_a_sec]

Hello, everyone. I came across this forum when I was searching one phrase. Well, 10 years ago I had a very weird dream. What I saw there: black night, I stand somewhere in the middle of this inky darkness and suddenly I see and read these words:  äie noemmna. Then I hear awful sounds, I gave them a name later - cosmic sounds, I'm almost awake. Then I feel something very heavy lying on my legs. I can't see anything there, I can't even move, I'm paralyzed. I'm on my back, the sounds slowly go away. I'm scared to death. Then in several seconds it all stopped and I covered myself with a blanket trying to sleep feeling there was someone in the room.
I tried to find the phrase I saw and read back then but to no avail. Yesterday I remembered my dream talking with my friend and decided to look it up on the internet. And I found this forum and this topic (very old one, though). Here is the link: http://forum.learnnavi.org/vocab-phrases/meaning-of-aie/
Can you help me find the meaning of the phrase, maybe it really exists? To tell the truth, I'm not really sure about "noemmna", it may be misspelled. But I clearly remember the first word, it stuck in my memory.

[Tìtstewan]

Hello and wellcome!

Wou, that's very interesting. Dreams have often something magical, anyway, lets see what we can do.

äie means "vision (in a spiritual sense)"

"noemmna" this word does not exists. If I try to split it to *get* some useful words, I get this:
sno his self, her self, its self, their self (reflexive 3rd person pronoun)
'em "cook"
na "like, as"

So, äie noemmna would means something like:
Vision, cook its self like...
But somehow, this sentence have no sense...

[Taronyu Leleioae]

Random thought when I read this, this morning...

Is noemm french?  I've seen this word somewhere. 
Either a name or description of something?  Where you might have ai noemm?
(I'm not a french speaker, so can't help...)

äie was part of the first draft of Na'vi words which part of the original script and planned scenes (where Jake went through the dream hunt experience and learned his spirit animal was the Toruk).  But this was dropped after concept.  There's actually blocked very rough scenes on the 3rd Extended DVD showing what they were attempting as a film/scene sequence.

[Blue Elf]

Hello and wellcome!

Wou, that's very interesting. Dreams have often something magical, anyway, lets see what we can do.

äie means "vision (in a spiritual sense)"

"noemmna" this word does not exists. If I try to split it to *get* some useful words, I get this:
sno his self, her self, its self, their self (reflexive 3rd person pronoun)
'em "cook"
na "like, as"

So, äie noemmna would means something like:
Vision, cook its self like...
But somehow, this sentence have no sense...

To decipher this text, we need to know in which language it is written. äie is valid Na'vi word, while noemmna is not. That's all we can say. Analysis above is interesting, but we have no example that word can be created by combining of pronoun, verb and adposition. So we should test another language... Good luck.

[Tìtstewan]

About "noemmna"
Ancient Greek: νόημα, noêma "concept", "idea", "perception", "thought"

[Taronyu Leleioae]

There is a Heidi Noemm from the UK.  A high level person in news/reporting. 
(Interesting that you could get that äie phonetic sound from Heidi potentially...)
Just a random find while Google searching.

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Very interesting!

I suspect that the lining up of what you saw in your dream, and the existence if the Na'vi word äie  is probably coincidence. Although great in number, there is only a finite range of sounds the human voice can make, and this just happened to be the combination you heard in your dream. It is also exceptionally interesting that this word means 'vision (spiritual sense)'.

I wonder of anyone reading this knows Hawaiian, Tongan, or other Polynesian languages. This is kind of what the word 'noemmna' word sounds like to me. Phonotactically, it cannot me a Na'vi word as-is, but if shortened to 'noemna', it becomes like a Na'vi word. What sticks out about the word in this form is the last two letters, which are the adposition na, which means 'like, as' (as others have mentioned). This is a normal place to use na, or it could be also used as na noem.

If a meaning can't be found for this word, it now might be possible to assign a meaning. Noem has a nice 'word shape', and is phonotactically correct Na'vi. Considering its source, and considering the adposition apparently combined with the word, maybe noem could be a word for 'nightmare'. I haven't looked, but I don't believe there are any word suggestions for 'nightmare' in the Lexical Expansion Project. This is a place where new Na'vi vocabulary is suggested, and you might want to consider suggesting it there. So äie noemna could literally mean 'vision like a nightmare'.

Now, to your dream or vision itself. This reminds me of something a friend of mine experienced a few years back. From time to time, he had worked with a captive cougar (mountain lion) that had become his close friend. This cat got really sick, and had to be euthanized. This turned into a bad experience for him, as it is never fun to have something you really love die in your arms. But cats are very spiritual creatures, and this cougar's spirit 'manifested' herself to her human friends in a variety of ways. For him, it was having her appear in his bedroom one night, on his bed. He could feel her considerable weight on the bed, just as you felt a heavy weight. He swears up and down that he was not dreaming, and based on research several of us have done on animal spirituality, such an event cannot be completely discounted.

[Taronyu Leleioae]

maybe noem could be a word for 'nightmare'. I haven't looked, but I don't believe there are any word suggestions for 'nightmare' in the Lexical Expansion Project. This is a place where new Na'vi vocabulary is suggested, and you might want to consider suggesting it there. So äie noemna could literally mean 'vision like a nightmare'.

Heading off on thread tangent...

But imo that we understand a nightmare to be possible from many things including physical issues or even medicines.  Trying to put myself in the Na'vi perspective (since they don't wear shoes!)..., that I think unil akawng works for "nightmare".  If one is looking at it as a deeper, spiritual meaning, perhaps äie akawng (evil vision).

[just_for_a_sec]

Thank you for your replies, they were all very interesting. Now I became thoughtful a bit more))

[Blue Elf]

About "noemmna"
Ancient Greek: νόημα, noêma "concept", "idea", "perception", "thought"

Good catch. Can be something similar like äie found in Greek too?

[Tìtstewan]

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a similar word in greek. I got some abbreviations like EIE for Εθνικό Ίδρυμα Ερευνών, or total no sense stuff...
This question should go to someone who can Greek.