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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2011, 11:28:54 am »
Irayo, it took a while for me to figure out that this topic existed and now I feel like a total skxawng. I was trying to figure out where to start out in this language, but now that I know this topic exists I'll be starting by memorizing these common words and phrases. Next time this skxawng will pay more attention to the supplies given for learning.  ;D

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2011, 12:00:22 pm »
omg thanks sooooo much! i used to just drown whenever i tried to speak na'vi because i didnt know these words, i will memorize them, irayo 'eylan, Oe ngati kameie
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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2011, 01:09:08 pm »
Although still useful, this list needs a serious update.

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2011, 01:42:56 pm »
Although still useful, this list needs a serious update.

hmmmmmmmmmm ;) ;)
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« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2011, 02:03:27 pm »
Although still useful, this list needs a serious update.

hmmmmmmmmmm ;) ;)
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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2011, 07:23:28 pm »

actually, OP seems fine. just some words suggested to learn first.

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2011, 03:05:05 pm »
Although still useful, this list needs a serious update.
or at least some corrections:
po - he, she, it he/she. For it is needed tsa
fya'o - way
nìteng - also in meaning too, same as
kop - also in meaning addionaly
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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2011, 03:08:13 pm »
Although still useful, this list needs a serious update.
or at least some corrections:
po - he, she, it he/she. For it is needed tsa
fya'o - way
nìteng - also in meaning too, same as
kop - also in meaning addionaly

hmm. well i admit that i didnt look at it very closely. I'll agree with you here except that

tsa

is just a prefix and it means

that _(Thing you prefix it to)_

there is actually no word for "it". Never has been. (afaik)
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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2011, 03:51:32 pm »
Oh yes. Probably better is to say that for "it" we use inflected forms of tsa'u (tsaw/tsal/tsat etc.)
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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2011, 04:10:38 pm »
it also highly depends on the expression. in English we say "it" A LOT about MANY things.

"it" is raining: zerup tompa
"it" is best if you go: sweylu txo nga kivä

most of the time, there is no word for "it" translated at all(see examples above). avoid translating word for word. ;)

"it" is a pleasure to be able to chat with you: tsun oe ngahu pivängkxo a fì'u oeru prrte' lu.

here, "it" is not being translated as tsaw/t/l/ri whatever, here it's actually translated as fi'u, which really means "this thing/abstraction/concept"
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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2011, 04:38:10 pm »
… and of course the one thing I see more and more is the ‘it/that/this’ for any action which should be fìkem/tsakem rather than tsaw

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2011, 04:45:08 pm »
it also highly depends on the expression. in English we say "it" A LOT about MANY things.

"it" is raining: zerup tompa
"it" is best if you goYou should go: sweylu txo nga kivä

most of the time, there is no word for "it" translated at all(see examples above). avoid translating word for word. ;)

"it" is a pleasure to be able to chat with you: tsun oe ngahu pivängkxo a fì'u oeru prrte' lu.

here, "it" is not being translated as tsaw/t/l/ri whatever, here it's actually translated as fi'u, which really means "this thing/abstraction/concept"
Ok, rutxe, don't take me too literally. Seems that "it" should be simply deleted from the list.
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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2011, 09:02:36 pm »
Ok, rutxe, don't take me too literally. Seems that "it" should be simply deleted from the list.

oeru txoa livu. I agree, less confusing that way.

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2011, 10:34:29 pm »
… and of course the one thing I see more and more is the ‘it/that/this’ for any action which should be fìkem/tsakem rather than tsaw

Rutxe, I wish this were explained more fully.

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2011, 03:37:09 am »
… and of course the one thing I see more and more is the ‘it/that/this’ for any action which should be fìkem/tsakem rather than tsaw

Rutxe, I wish this were explained more fully.

Kea tìngäzìk ;)

The Na’vi distinguish between ‘it’ for an action and ‘it’ for a thing. So, where English just states:

     ‘I did that (= it)’
     ‘I saw that (= it)’

Na’vi has two distinct ways to specify what the ‘that/it’ is, i.e.—

     oe tsakem soli ~ I did that action
     oel tsat tsole’a ~ I saw that thing (remember tsat is a contracted form of tsa’ut)

A lot of users just say…

     tsaw lamu lor, ‘that was beautiful’, not making the distinction what this English ‘that’ is.

Also, the second sentence above could of cause be oel tsakemit tsole’a and thereby specify the meaning of what you saw where English does not ;)

Hope that made it clear :)

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2011, 09:49:12 am »
… and of course the one thing I see more and more is the ‘it/that/this’ for any action which should be fìkem/tsakem rather than tsaw

Rutxe, I wish this were explained more fully.

Kea tìngäzìk ;)

The Na’vi distinguish between ‘it’ for an action and ‘it’ for a thing. So, where English just states:

     ‘I did that (= it)’
     ‘I saw that (= it)’

Na’vi has two distinct ways to specify what the ‘that/it’ is, i.e.—

     oe tsakem soli ~ I did that action
     oel tsat tsole’a ~ I saw that thing (remember tsat is a contracted form of tsa’ut)

A lot of users just say…

     tsaw lamu lor, ‘that was beautiful’, not making the distinction what this English ‘that’ is.

Also, the second sentence above could of course be oel tsakemit tsole’a and thereby specify the meaning of what you saw where English does not ;)

Hope that made it clear :)


Irayo seiyi ma Plumps.  Implicit in the above is an understanding of the effects of the dative and accusative cases on subject and object, something which I am currently trying to wrap my mind around.  That will make it easier for me to comprehend.  That, and infixes....

Now, I must go and search the meaning of ergative because even dictionary definitions of that compared to accusative or dative leave me scratching my head.   >:(



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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2011, 01:32:23 pm »
Irayo seiyi ma Plumps.  Implicit in the above is an understanding of the effects of the dative and accusative cases on subject and object, something which I am currently trying to wrap my mind around.  

Not necessarily… it’s just the distinction between a thing (’u) and an event (kem) … I admit, sometimes the lines are blurry but with a statement like ‘that is beautiful’ we can make this difference in Na’vi, where English needs addition or context.

But of course, as far as case endings are concerned, since both ’u and kem are nouns they are subject to case marking. But the same would happen to English if it still had case markings…

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2011, 09:15:31 pm »
That is helpful.  I really appreciate the clarification.

I hope this isn't a necroquestion, but is there a difference between nìteng and kop?  I didn't see any distinction in the original post, but maybe I missed it.

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« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2011, 11:47:38 pm »
Good question.  I sometimes see these melì'u mistaken for each other.

Kop implies the sense of "in addition" or "additionally", whereas
Nìteng implies the sense of "as well" or "likewise".

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Re: Conversational Vocab - Learn These First
« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2011, 12:47:59 am »
That is helpful.  I really appreciate the clarification.

I hope this isn't a necroquestion, but is there a difference between nìteng and kop?  I didn't see any distinction in the original post, but maybe I missed it.
Good explanation you can find here

IMHO many people still use "kop" incorrectly instead of "nìteng"
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