ftang vs. txey

Blue Elf · July 31, 2011, 02:17:42 PM

While browsing through the dictionary I found txey: PF v. halt
How it differs from ftang (except that ftang is modal)? According to En->Czech dictionary "stop" has more meanings, but many of them are similar to "halt", so how txey could be used correctly? I don't see any examples....

Carborundum · July 31, 2011, 03:10:11 PM

My guess is that txey means specifically 'to stop moving', whereas ftang is more general.

Kamean · July 31, 2011, 03:53:30 PM

I think the same.

Tirea Aean · July 31, 2011, 03:59:09 PM

I noticed taht a while ago as well.

txey, ftang, tìftang si, 'i'a

there are differences between all these, somehow. I'm not 100% sure what really. ('i'a is easier to tell, but between the others...)

EDIT: ftang isn't JUST "modal", it's just recently known to have "modal-construction" abilities. (iirc it was in the film: "ftang nga!", a command)

'Oma Tirea · July 31, 2011, 11:19:30 PM

Also ftang and tìftang si are both intransitive. Could txey be transitive? I'm not sure there's any canon examples os the usage of this word so far....

Blue Elf · August 01, 2011, 02:25:11 AM

Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on July 31, 2011, 11:19:30 PM
Also ftang and tìftang si are both intransitive. Could txey be transitive? I'm not sure there's any canon examples of the usage of this word so far....

That is what I'm speaking about - seems it is word, fko never used....

Sireayä mokri · August 01, 2011, 07:33:52 AM

Quote from: Blue Elf on August 01, 2011, 02:25:11 AM
Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on July 31, 2011, 11:19:30 PM
Also ftang and tìftang si are both intransitive. Could txey be transitive? I'm not sure there's any canon examples of the usage of this word so far....
That is what I'm speaking about - seems it is word, fko never used....

If there's a word in Na'vi, it was used at least once, otherwise it wouldn't be created. I suspect it could show up in a game dialog.

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä · August 01, 2011, 03:16:59 PM

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 31, 2011, 03:59:09 PM

EDIT: ftang isn't JUST "modal", it's just recently known to have "modal-construction" abilities. (iirc it was in the film: "ftang nga!", a command)

Ma Tirea, what exactly do you mean by "modal-construction abilities"?

Tirea Aean · August 01, 2011, 05:13:09 PM

Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on August 01, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 31, 2011, 03:59:09 PM

EDIT: ftang isn't JUST "modal", it's just recently known to have "modal-construction" abilities. (iirc it was in the film: "ftang nga!", a command)

Ma Tirea, what exactly do you mean by "modal-construction abilities"?

as in it's just an average joe verb, but it is also capable of using/conforming to a modal syntax. someone correct me if I'm wrong somewhere?

I heard some time ago that many of our "modal verbs" are not truly "modal" but just seem to use the same "modal syntax" but to be less technical and less confusing, we just call all verbs, which are able to use that syntax, modal verbs? I didnt mean to be confusing, I may even be wrong. as always, k2c, to whomever may come with more knowledge than me in this subject.

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä · August 01, 2011, 09:02:39 PM

Quote from: Carborundum on July 31, 2011, 03:10:11 PM
My guess is that txey means specifically 'to stop moving', whereas ftang is more general.

Based strictly on the dictionary definition of both words (ftang: vim. stop; txey v. halt). 'Stop moving' is a modal kind of construction; ftang `irvärìp Thus, ftang seems to be a better choice here. {b]txey[/b] seems like both a command and a stronger-in-meaning synonym of ftang. Although certainly possible, I do not see a common transitive use of this verb (but you can prove me wrong), and a modal use possible but not likely.

In the end though, there are a lot of places where the words can be interchanged. However, I bet that ftang remains the most common word used for 'stop'.

'Oma Tirea · August 02, 2011, 12:43:53 AM

Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on August 01, 2011, 09:02:39 PM
Based strictly on the dictionary definition of both words (ftang: vim. stop; txey v. halt). 'Stop moving' is a modal kind of construction; ftang `irvärìp

I'm not sure that's how fko could interpret that. It could also be interpreted as stop to get moving. I'm also a little skeptical of how tìftang si would fit into this, so maybe there's the place for txey.

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä · August 02, 2011, 02:56:10 PM

Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on August 02, 2011, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on August 01, 2011, 09:02:39 PM
Based strictly on the dictionary definition of both words (ftang: vim. stop; txey v. halt). 'Stop moving' is a modal kind of construction; ftang `irvärìp

I'm not sure that's how fko could interpret that. It could also be interpreted as stop to get moving. I'm also a little skeptical of how tìftang si would fit into this, so maybe there's the place for txey.

Perhaps, as a direct command, the <iv> would not be needed here, so you would have ftang `erärìp Although one can make a command, 'stop moving' (or any kind of 'stop verbing') by itself, I suspect most kinds of usage of ftang or even txey are going to be 'guided' by some sort of external context.