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Guide To Connectors --
« on: January 01, 2010, 11:04:41 pm »
Guide To Connectors

A compilation of the formation and uses of Na'Vi connectors. There is a thread elsewhere for the draft versions, but I beleived it was appropriate to make another thread for what I beleive is the guide in a finished state. I urge all users, especially beginners to read this as it will provide a good insight into the language's connectors.

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 11:27:35 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 11:36:57 pm »
Irayo Tsmukan. Oe soli tsakem nikawng.
Thank you bother. I did that wrongly.

It is now an attacthment. I beleive that solves it, sorry for any inconvenience.



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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 11:41:16 pm »
This looks great. Nice work!

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 11:51:23 pm »
LOL! I signed up for esnips. I got the download--after a bit of hesitation.  :D

My insatiable lust for knowledge overpowered my fear of unknown websites. This is good. If you are reading these words. You should download it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 12:01:13 am »
Like I said earlier, the esnips problem was fixed, no else will need to sign-up it is now an attachtment in the original post..

You found it useful? Siltsan. Good.

Irayo. Oeri noleu tìng srung aysmukru.
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 12:59:38 am »
You found it useful? Siltsan. Good.

Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

Two things:

1: Thank you for making the translations clear. It helps immensely.
2: I keep checking words against the dictionary and my other PDFs but yours are new to me. Where are you getting these words?

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2010, 07:59:37 am »
You found it useful? Siltsan. Good.

Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

Two things:

1: Thank you for making the translations clear. It helps immensely.
2: I keep checking words against the dictionary and my other PDFs but yours are new to me. Where are you getting these words?

"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
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1.Thank you, that was the aim.  ;D
2.PM me what words you would like me to clear up.



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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2010, 08:44:21 am »
You found it useful? Siltsan. Good.

Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

Two things:

1: Thank you for making the translations clear. It helps immensely.
2: I keep checking words against the dictionary and my other PDFs but yours are new to me. Where are you getting these words?

"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
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Replies:
1.Thank you, that was the aim.  ;D
2.PM me what words you would like me to clear up.

Why PM? Isn't it better you post it here so we all can learn from it? :)
This guide was great btw. Irayo!

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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2010, 09:04:45 am »
Why PM? Isn't it better you post it here so we all can learn from it? :)
This guide was great btw. Irayo!

Thank you for your kind words concerning my guide. I appreciate them.

In an effort to save time, a maybe be a good teacher I will break down my sentence.
Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Irayo. Oe n<ol>eu tìng ti-fpak ay-smukan-ru.
<ol> is the past tense infix. ti- changes the verb to help into it's noun form. ay-pluralizes siblings. ru-Shows the recepients.
Thank you. I want<ed> to give (noun-)help siblings(recipients.)
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

-Looking on it now however I did make a mistake, I should have used Oeri instead of Oe. Thus the sentence would have read:
As for me, I wanted to give help to siblings.
I will correct that in the original post.



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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2010, 10:58:51 am »
Perfect, ma tsmukan. Irayo. This makes the connectors very easy to understand.

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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2010, 12:02:11 pm »
Remember that in the beginner's forums, it is helpful to all when you notate your affixes correctly, to make translation easier. This  simple step can eliminate the need to explain things as copiously as you did - though such explanations are appreciated, if we all got in the habit of using correct notation, as was suggested in the Beginner Forum Etiquette.

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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2010, 12:09:30 pm »
I will be sure to bear that in mind from now on.



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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2010, 12:15:19 pm »
Typo: example 1, large = 'apxa' (you have 'axpa')

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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2010, 12:16:18 pm »
Why PM? Isn't it better you post it here so we all can learn from it? :)
This guide was great btw. Irayo!

Thank you for your kind words concerning my guide. I appreciate them.

In an effort to save time, a maybe be a good teacher I will break down my sentence.
Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Irayo. Oe n<ol>eu tìng ti-fpak ay-smukan-ru.
<ol> is the past tense infix. ti- changes the verb to help into it's noun form. ay-pluralizes siblings. ru-Shows the recepients.
Thank you. I want<ed> to give (noun-)help siblings(recipients.)
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

-Looking on it now however I did make a mistake, I should have used Oeri instead of Oe. Thus the sentence would have read:
As for me, I wanted to give help to siblings.
I will correct that in the original post.

Txan irayo ma Tanhì'itan!
Nga lu sìltsan a-karyu.

-Much thank you Tanhì'itan!
-You be good teacher.

Thank you very much, Tanhì'itan.
You are a very good teacher.

I have some questions though. First of all, was that correct Na'Vi that I wrote?
Secondly, what's wrong with Oe? Doesn't it work to have it like "I wanted to give help..." instead of "As for me, I wanted to give help..."?
And lastly, why do you need to change the verb "help" into a noun? Sorry if these are newbie questions.

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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2010, 12:31:12 pm »
Typo: example 1, large = 'apxa' (you have 'axpa')

Irayo. When I return home I will be sure to make the correction and put it as the attatchment.

Why PM? Isn't it better you post it here so we all can learn from it? :)
This guide was great btw. Irayo!

Thank you for your kind words concerning my guide. I appreciate them.

In an effort to save time, a maybe be a good teacher I will break down my sentence.
Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Irayo. Oe n<ol>eu tìng ti-fpak ay-smukan-ru.
<ol> is the past tense infix. ti- changes the verb to help into it's noun form. ay-pluralizes siblings. ru-Shows the recepients.
Thank you. I want<ed> to give (noun-)help siblings(recipients.)
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

-Looking on it now however I did make a mistake, I should have used Oeri instead of Oe. Thus the sentence would have read:
As for me, I wanted to give help to siblings.
I will correct that in the original post.

Txan irayo ma Tanhì'itan!
Nga lu sìltsan a-karyu.

-Much thank you Tanhì'itan!
-You be good teacher.

Thank you very much, Tanhì'itan.
You are a very good teacher.

I have some questions though. First of all, was that correct Na'Vi that I wrote?
Secondly, what's wrong with Oe? Doesn't it work to have it like "I wanted to give help..." instead of "As for me, I wanted to give help..."?
And lastly, why do you need to change the verb "help" into a noun? Sorry if these are newbie questions.

To Question 1:
Txan irayo ma Tanhì'itan! Should be:
Txan-a irayo ma Tanhì'tan
Txan(great) is an adjective describing the amount of thanks.

Nga lu sìltsan a-karyu.  Should be:
Nga lu sìltsan-a karyu.   The -a goes on the adjective to the side closest the noun.

Review: Not bad, just work on the -a, should be simple.

To Question 2:
A gramitically sentence could be constructed using either Oe or Oeri. I just preffered using Oeri in this case.


To Question 3:
I gave you a ball.
I (verb) you a (noun).
I gave you help. //Srung - To Help (a verb). By Na'vi rules that we know so far, adding ti- makes a verb a noun. So in order me me to give you help. Help had to be the noun tisrung.

-looks at post- Oh crap I had fpak. That should be srung. Correction number two for me.



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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2010, 01:06:47 pm »
Typo: example 1, large = 'apxa' (you have 'axpa')

Irayo. When I return home I will be sure to make the correction and put it as the attatchment.

Why PM? Isn't it better you post it here so we all can learn from it? :)
This guide was great btw. Irayo!

Thank you for your kind words concerning my guide. I appreciate them.

In an effort to save time, a maybe be a good teacher I will break down my sentence.
Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Irayo. Oe n<ol>eu tìng ti-fpak ay-smukan-ru.
<ol> is the past tense infix. ti- changes the verb to help into it's noun form. ay-pluralizes siblings. ru-Shows the recepients.
Thank you. I want<ed> to give (noun-)help siblings(recipients.)
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

-Looking on it now however I did make a mistake, I should have used Oeri instead of Oe. Thus the sentence would have read:
As for me, I wanted to give help to siblings.
I will correct that in the original post.

Txan irayo ma Tanhì'itan!
Nga lu sìltsan a-karyu.

-Much thank you Tanhì'itan!
-You be good teacher.

Thank you very much, Tanhì'itan.
You are a very good teacher.

I have some questions though. First of all, was that correct Na'Vi that I wrote?
Secondly, what's wrong with Oe? Doesn't it work to have it like "I wanted to give help..." instead of "As for me, I wanted to give help..."?
And lastly, why do you need to change the verb "help" into a noun? Sorry if these are newbie questions.

To Question 1:
Txan irayo ma Tanhì'itan! Should be:
Txan-a irayo ma Tanhì'tan
Txan(great) is an adjective describing the amount of thanks.

Nga lu sìltsan a-karyu.  Should be:
Nga lu sìltsan-a karyu.   The -a goes on the adjective to the side closest the noun.

Review: Not bad, just work on the -a, should be simple.

To Question 2:
A gramitically sentence could be constructed using either Oe or Oeri. I just preffered using Oeri in this case.


To Question 3:
I gave you a ball.
I (verb) you a (noun).
I gave you help. //Srung - To Help (a verb). By Na'vi rules that we know so far, adding ti- makes a verb a noun. So in order me me to give you help. Help had to be the noun tisrung.

-looks at post- Oh crap I had fpak. That should be srung. Correction number two for me.

#1. Alright, I understand that now!
#2. Okay, so it's just a matter of preference?
#3. I think I understand you. But I'm still confused. Why can't you use the verb "help" in that sentence? Because that's what you wanted to do, "help". Or is it just because you wanted to GIVE something, something had to be a noun because you cannot give <verb>??

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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2010, 01:23:48 pm »
#1. Alright, I understand that now!
#2. Okay, so it's just a matter of preference?
#3. I think I understand you. But I'm still confused. Why can't you use the verb "help" in that sentence? Because that's what you wanted to do, "help". Or is it just because you wanted to GIVE something, something had to be a noun because you cannot give <verb>??

Question 2:
Since I know how to create that sentence with both Oe and Oeri, yes.

Question 3:
Or is it just because you wanted to GIVE something, something had to be a noun because you cannot give <verb>??
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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2010, 01:44:22 pm »
#1. Alright, I understand that now!
#2. Okay, so it's just a matter of preference?
#3. I think I understand you. But I'm still confused. Why can't you use the verb "help" in that sentence? Because that's what you wanted to do, "help". Or is it just because you wanted to GIVE something, something had to be a noun because you cannot give <verb>??

Question 2:
Since I know how to create that sentence with both Oe and Oeri, yes.

Question 3:
Or is it just because you wanted to GIVE something, something had to be a noun because you cannot give <verb>??
Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner. That's exactly it.

#2. Alright, so final here: How would the 2 sentences look like and what would be the difference(in the matter of how the sentence is constructed)?

#3. Woho! Txan-a irayo!

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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2010, 02:07:01 pm »
Nice reference, but I noticed one mistake: pe- triggers lenition, so "when" translates as pehrr, not pekrr, and "where" translates as peseng, not petseng.  Also, remember that there's two ways to write many of the words in that chart:  "when" can be either pehrr or krrpe, "who" can be either pesu or tupe, and "where" can be either peseng or tsengpe.

 

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