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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2010, 04:30:36 pm »
#1. Alright, I understand that now!
#2. Okay, so it's just a matter of preference?
#3. I think I understand you. But I'm still confused. Why can't you use the verb "help" in that sentence? Because that's what you wanted to do, "help". Or is it just because you wanted to GIVE something, something had to be a noun because you cannot give <verb>??

Question 2:
Since I know how to create that sentence with both Oe and Oeri, yes.

Question 3:
Or is it just because you wanted to GIVE something, something had to be a noun because you cannot give <verb>??
Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner. That's exactly it.

#2. Alright, so final here: How would the 2 sentences look like and what would be the difference(in the matter of how the sentence is constructed)?

#3. Woho! Txan-a irayo!

You could wite either:
Oeri noleu tìng tisrung oeyä aysmukanru.
As for me, I wanted to give help my siblings (recipients)
As for me, I wanted to give helps to my siblings.

Oel noleu tìng tisrungil oeyä aysmukanri.
I(subj/ACC) wanted to give help(obj/ERG) to my siblings (the recipients)
I wanted to give help to my siblings.

Nice reference, but I noticed one mistake: pe- triggers lenition, so "when" translates as pehrr, not pekrr, and "where" translates as peseng, not petseng.  Also, remember that there's two ways to write many of the words in that chart:  "when" can be either pehrr or krrpe, "who" can be either pesu or tupe, and "where" can be either peseng or tsengpe.

Thank you Coda, I didn't know pe- triggered lenition and thus ìve learnt something new from you. I will be sure to update the guide when I return home.



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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2010, 07:23:26 pm »
Thank you for your kind words concerning my guide. I appreciate them.

In an effort to save time, a maybe be a good teacher I will break down my sentence.
Irayo. Oe noleu tìng tifpak aysmukanru.
Irayo. Oe n<ol>eu tìng ti-fpak ay-smukan-ru.
<ol> is the past tense infix. ti- changes the verb to help into it's noun form. ay-pluralizes siblings. ru-Shows the recepients.
Thank you. I want<ed> to give (noun-)help siblings(recipients.)
Thank you. I wanted to give help to my brothers and sisters.

-Looking on it now however I did make a mistake, I should have used Oeri instead of Oe. Thus the sentence would have read:
As for me, I wanted to give help to siblings.
I will correct that in the original post.

Hmmm . . . so many things to comment on. Well let me speak plainly.

It is my privilege to have access to on who is patient and knowledgeable. Because of your help, I have had the inspiration (and strong heart) to attempt a scene to help beginners (posted as "Na'vi Story time," in the beginners section, naturally). Now that I am reading this thread, I see I really need to learn infixes. They break open a word and insert their meat into it, like a "stuffed crab." This is new to me. I have always like my words complete, with the only extras on either side. Oh well, time to learn more; study never ends.

Also: Thank you for breaking that down (above). I "get" this. oe tslolam. I do not use those words lightly, as I almost never tslolam. I get words. I can easily memorize them. I get better at grammar though assimilation, as I see more and more of it used, but this has really helped me. I was beginning to believe that anyone with a real understanding of the inner workings of linguistics was impatient, and unconcerned that most people do not know--or care--about these details. they speak. They write. They go home. I appreciate having help truly understanding this. I do not want it to be a passing fad, and in turn, I want to help others, as I can--especially the newest of the new.

Thank you deeply.
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Re: Guide To Connectors --
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2010, 07:37:50 pm »
Hmmm . . . so many things to comment on. Well let me speak plainly.

It is my privilege to have access to on who is patient and knowledgeable. Because of your help, I have had the inspiration (and strong heart) to attempt a scene to help beginners (posted as "Na'vi Story time," in the beginners section, naturally). Now that I am reading this thread, I see I really need to learn infixes. They break open a word and insert their meat into it, like a "stuffed crab." This is new to me. I have always like my words complete, with the only extras on either side. Oh well, time to learn more; study never ends.

Also: Thank you for breaking that down (above). I "get" this. oe tslolam. I do not use those words lightly, as I almost never tslolam. I get words. I can easily memorize them. I get better at grammar though assimilation, as I see more and more of it used, but this has really helped me. I was beginning to believe that anyone with a real understanding of the inner workings of linguistics was impatient, and unconcerned that most people do not know--or care--about these details. they speak. They write. They go home. I appreciate having help truly understanding this. I do not want it to be a passing fad, and in turn, I want to help others, as I can--especially the newest of the new.

Thank you deeply.

Oel s<ay>i fra'u-ti fpi oeyä ay-smuk-ru.
I will do all things for the sake of my siblings.

We are now a family here, a Na'vi family. We have ay-eyktan and ay-'evengs, the leaders and children, those who have learnt much and those who are still learning. I would like to believe I am still an 'eveng aspiring to be a Na'vi grammer beast. I am truly touched you would write your appreciation towards me, because it is in a similar manner to this that I learn from others and truly appreciate it. We are all learning together so we can all become an eyktan, so that when Na'vi booms we will all be ready for the new set of 'eveng to come. I am honoured to be your inspirateion for you to learn infixes. Learn your infixes so you can teach infixes. "I do not want it to be a passing fad, and in turn, I want to help others, as I can--especially the newest of the new." -- Such an noble thought. As a Na'vi family it is that we help each other as much as possible and so I repeat:

Oel s<ay>i fra'u-ti fpi oeyä ay-smuk-ru.
I will do all things for the sake of my siblings.



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Please help me understand
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2010, 10:15:50 pm »
Oel s<ay>i fra'u-ti fpi oeyä ay-smuk-ru.
I will do all things for the sake of my siblings.

Oe (I or me) Oel: The l is a suffix, yes?  :)  "subject of transitive verb?"

(also) s<ay>i (. . . grrr!) I get "<ay>" infix that creates a future tense I believe. But would that make the original word "si" (do)? So, si is "to do" (do) and s<ai>i would be "will do," but more correctly, you s<er>i, or "are doing"? As you are in fact helping me even now.

(also also) fra'u=everything, but now fra'u-ti means object of transitive verb (since every sentence needs a subject and an object I guess). ay: prefix indicating many smuk-ru (siblings who receive). oe tslolam!

 ;D This is a happy day.

oeyä oe+yä . . . (I think I got this) I/we . . . Possessive! "Our," right?

I‹ol›rayo, i‹er›rayo, i‹ay›rayo nìmun.

(Hopefully I got that right. I can't find a hard-fast rule that says exactly where the verbal tense is placed.)
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Re: Please help me understand
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2010, 11:54:53 pm »

Oel s<ay>i fra'u-ti fpi oeyä ay-smuk-ru.
I will do all things for the sake of my siblings.

1.Oe (I or me) Oel: The l is a suffix, yes?  :)  "subject of transitive verb?" [Correct]
2.Si - to do, <ay> will do, <er> doing. [Correct]
3.fra'u=everything, but now fra'u-ti means object of transitive verb [Correct]
4.oeyä oe+yä . . . (I think I got this) I/we . . . Possessive! "Our," right? [Incorrect Oe means I/me. yä means it belongs to I/me. It is MINE]

5.I‹ol›rayo, i‹er›rayo, i‹ay›rayo nìmun.
Firtsly, I am not sure if "Thank you" is a verb. In that case infixes would apply. Try to use the idiom give thanks.
Oel t<ol>ìng irayo nga-ru.
I will give thanks to you(recipient).

Secondly, placement after infixes. These infixes come after the last constant in the first syllabe I beleive. Not entirely sure, but I do know it needs to go after a constanant.


(Hopefully I got that right. I can't find a hard-fast rule that says exactly where the verbal tense is placed.)



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Re: Please help me understand
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2010, 12:23:07 am »
Secondly, placement after infixes. These infixes come after the last constant in the first syllabe I beleive. Not entirely sure, but I do know it needs to go after a constant.

Yeah, I was thinking, "These infixes need to follow a consonant!" But there was none :-(

So I thought, well I am putting them in the first syllable come hell of high water. I never though of the part of "Thanks" not being appropriate. I was trying to say, "I have thanked you before. I am thanking you now, I will thank you at some point in the future."

That's what I get for trying to be clever. Oh, I found some youtube new videos, so that is nice. I think there are about 8 good ones all on language, and some . . . "ribbons for participation" which I definitely appreciate people's efforts in putting up. They help round out all this written instruction.
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