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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« on: November 18, 2010, 11:11:52 am »
From Pawl's blog:

  'evan (n.) boy (colloquial)
  'eve (n.) girl (colloquial)
  'evengan boy
  'evenge (n.) girl

So, 'evan and 'eve are just colloquial forms :)

And can someone explain what ''ko'' means? Like makto ko!

Ko is "solicit agreement", when you want to do something with other person, you may ask him ko. For example:

  Kivä ko!
  Let's go!
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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 01:49:42 pm »
Informal; usually used in everyday conversations rather than more formal occasions.
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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 02:04:52 pm »
Think of "mom" vs "mother" - mom is more colloquial.

On ko, it's not just about asking people to do something, it can be used for statements too as in "Tsun tutet tspivang ko" which would be something like "(They) can kill a person, you know".
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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 02:41:34 pm »
Yeah - I've never quite understood ko 100%, it seems pretty arbitrary to me - but there must be something linking all of its uses that I'm just too ignorant to see.
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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 03:41:52 pm »
Pretty much yeah.  (Though I'm not sure if tutan carries the implication of an adult or not.)
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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 04:38:20 pm »
Yeah - I've never quite understood ko 100%, it seems pretty arbitrary to me - but there must be something linking all of its uses that I'm just too ignorant to see.

Sivar ko lì'u alu "ko"! ;)

Basically, it's much like the modern English "let's"...

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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 04:43:36 pm »
Yeah - I've never quite understood ko 100%, it seems pretty arbitrary to me - but there must be something linking all of its uses that I'm just too ignorant to see.

Sivar ko lì'u alu "ko"! ;)

Basically, it's much like the modern English "let's"...



Yes, but that's not the only usage of it... that's the one quoted the most, but I've read posts by quite a few of the more intelligent people on here that say it's not the only usage. They then proceeded to list other usages that I didn't understand the link between...
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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 05:04:26 pm »
In the Canon part of the Wiki, about 1/4 way down the page in the "Jan 09" section, Karyu Pawl says the following about ko:

As for ko, I don't know any Japanese but I did have in mind Mandarin ba, a sentence-final particle glossed by Li and Thompson as "solicit agreement." Typical translations of ba are: "Don't you think so?" "Wouldn't you agree?" "Let's . . ." "Why don't you . . ." "I'll do X, OK?" I've used ko for all such things, maybe a bit more widely than ba.
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Re: Boy and boy and ko?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 06:03:30 pm »
Ah, so it's sort of like saying that you (and/or others) will do something and you are just letting them know your intention whilst also giving them a chance to object... I think I get it. If anyone can explain that in neater terms I'd be happy, heh.
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