Important Phrases To Know?

Started by Rawmpxom, August 14, 2012, 04:06:56 PM

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Rawmpxom

Not to sound like a skxawng, but what are some important phrases or words to know in Na'vi? Because I remember that trying to learn them from the dictionary, and memorizing them like that is the hardest way to learn Na'vi. So I figured learning some phrases and some important words to know would be a good way to start out. Irayo frapo!
Eywa ngahu ulte oel ngati kameie!

Tirea Aean

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QuoteIrayo frapo!

> Irayo ma frapo!


There is a list of phrases in the dictionary. Some of those are very common.

I suppose the best way to know which phrases or words are important is to actually go to /ninavi-niaw board and read some Na'vi posts.

among them, very popular/common words/phrases there are:

oeru sunu [...] = I like [...]
lam (oeru) fwa [...] = it seems (to me) [...]
ngaru tìyawr = you're right
kxeyey = mistake/error
oel fpìl futa [...] = I think [...]
tì'efumì oeyä, [...] = In my opinion, [...]
tsalsungay = nonetheless
ngian = however
txantsan = excellent, awesome
kosman = wonderful
seysonìltsan! = Well done!/Good Job!
Seykxel sì nitram! = Congratulations!

and many more. I advise immersion :) it really helps. feel free to pm or email me questions.

Vawmataw

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Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 14, 2012, 04:19:04 PM
QuoteIrayo frapo!

> Irayo ma frapo!
Right. Same thing for Hello everyone: Kaltxì ma frapo.

Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 14, 2012, 04:19:04 PM
ngaru tìyawr = you're right
:o :o :o :o :o :o Ma Eywa ! Tìyawr is a word and it means ''correctness'' !!! So, we say Nga lu eyawr or Nga lu tìyawr mì.

In your case, Tirea Aean, nga lu tìkey mì.
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Kemaweyan

Quote from: Na'vi a Kepekmì on August 14, 2012, 04:45:17 PM
:o :o :o :o :o :o Ma Eywa ! Tìyawr is a word and it means ''correctness'' !!! So, we say Nga lu eyawr or Nga lu tìyawr mì.
In your case, Tirea Aean, nga lu tìkey mì.

No. We say Ngaru (lu) tìyawr where lu is omitted. It means literally «You have correctness».

Also, there is no need of lenition in the word tìkxey because prefix tì- does not cause it :)
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Kemaweyan on August 14, 2012, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: Na'vi a Kepekmì on August 14, 2012, 04:45:17 PM
:o :o :o :o :o :o Ma Eywa ! Tìyawr is a word and it means ''correctness'' !!! So, we say Nga lu eyawr or Nga lu tìyawr mì.
In your case, Tirea Aean, nga lu tìkey mì.

No. We say Ngaru (lu) tìyawr where lu is omitted. It means literally «You have correctness».

Also, there is no need of lenition in the word tìkxey because prefix tì- does not cause it :)

Ninja points for Kemaweyan! Irayo ma tsmukan. Trust me on my post ;)

Rawmpxom

Irayo ma frapo Tirea Aean! Oel fpìl futa I said tsa'u muiä... Na'vi grammar confuses me sooo much ulte irayo ma frapo for all the advice everyone!  :) Oh and how would you say, I or me, or something similar to that in showing possessiveness?
Eywa ngahu ulte oel ngati kameie!

Vawmataw

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Quote from: Rawmpxom on August 14, 2012, 05:51:04 PM
Oel fpìl futa oe poltxe tsa'u muiä.
Srane, nga poltxe tsa'u muiä. Slä zerok fwa frapo lu  sngä'iyu kraa fo sngä'i nivume lì'fyati leNa'vi. Etrìpa syayvi nemfa ngeyä aysìftia!

P.S.: Oe lu sngä'i nìNa'vi.


Just two things to know:

  • Some verbs do not exist in Na'vi. If you want to say ''X has/have Y'', you must say ''Lu Xru Y''. If you love someone or something: Y lu yawne Xru.
  • We use the verb ''plltxe'' as the verb ''to speak'' and ''to say''.
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Eana Unil

Sran, ma Na'vi a Kepekmì, nga lu sngä'iyu - oe lu sngä'iyu mi kop. Slä ke new oe kivar keyeyt sì tìkxeyt oeyä lahea tuteru... Fula tsakem si nga 'efeyku oet nìsti nì'it.

Sänume lu sìltsan frakrr, slä rä'ä kivar keyeyt rutxe.



Hìtxoa, oe zamene pivlltxe tsat set nì'aw.  :-\

Rawmpxom

Irayo ma frapo Na'vi a Kepekmì! Oe ma lrr ne omum tsa'u!  ;D Ngaytxoa txo oe ka si 'efu!  :-[
Eywa ngahu ulte oel ngati kameie!

Tirea Aean

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Quote from: Eana Unil on August 14, 2012, 07:20:45 PM
Sran, ma Na'vi a Kepekmì, nga lu sngä'iyu - oe lu sngä'iyu mi kop. Slä ke new oe kivar keyeyt sì tìkxeyt oeyä lahea tuteru... Fula tsakem si nga 'efeyku oet nìsti nì'it.

Sänume lu sìltsan frakrr, slä rä'ä kivar keyeyt rutxe.



Hìtxoa, oe zamene pivlltxe tsat set nì'aw.  :-\

Tsat oel poru li poltxe. Oe mllte. :)

Also, this is a beginner's thread about which phrases or words are important (too much raw untranslated Na'vi?). :3

Quote from: Rawmpxom on August 14, 2012, 05:51:04 PM
Irayo ma frapo Tirea Aean! Oel fpìl futa I said tsa'u muiä... Na'vi grammar confuses me sooo much ulte irayo ma frapo for all the advice everyone!  :) Oh and how would you say, I or me, or something similar to that in showing possessiveness?

nìprrte'. :) I said is typically oe(l) poltxe in this case. I think you wanted to say:

oel fpìl futa oel poltxe tsaylì'ut nìyawr

Tsaylì'ut = those words. beter style than saying tsat, which is an alternative choice.

Nìyawr = correctly. though not in the dictionary (apparently, yet) has always been widespread used by everyone here. (To the point it might as well become canonized)

muiä is an adjective meaning right in the sense of fair or just.

I or me is oe. Showing possessiveness? As in "my"? Then it is oeyä .

Quote from: Rawmpxom on August 14, 2012, 10:07:13 PM
Irayo ma frapo Na'vi a Kepekmì! Oe ma lrr ne omum tsa'u!  ;D Ngaytxoa txo oe ka si 'efu!  :-[

Oh my. This smells like navilator.com. Please for the love of Eywa do not use that thing. Its output is attrociously wrong. There does not exist any good English -> Na'vi translator except a person who knows the language ;)

I know what you said because I know how navilator works. (I have seen the source code. *cringe*)


Questions, please don't be afraid to pm and ask. :)

Kemaweyan

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Tirea Aean


Rawmpxom

QuoteOh my. This smells like navilator.com. Please for the love of Eywa do not use that thing. Its output is attrociously wrong. There does not exist any good English -> Na'vi translator except a person who knows the language ;)
Haha I'm glad to know that now rather than later! But I'm really glad to finally know what 'my' is! I've been dying forever trying to figure out that one word! And how do you even know when to add another letter, or set of letters to a word? I never understood that part... Ever. Someday (without navilator.com  ;D) I will be boss at Na'vi.
Eywa ngahu ulte oel ngati kameie!

Tirea Aean

Check out Na'vi in a Nutshell guide on LearnNavi.org it does a good job in a short time. Start reading at chapter 2. All the prefixes, suffixes, and infixes are in the dictionary too. I still say that Correction and Immersion go a long way. :) Try chatting in the Na'vi board. :) Everyone there is helpfil, friendly, and... lonely, in need of more chatter in Na'vi. ;)

Rawmpxom

Irayo ma tsmukan! (is that right?) But thanks, I've been meaning to read that but never really got around to it! But... What are infixes?  :-[
Eywa ngahu ulte oel ngati kameie!

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Rawmpxom on August 14, 2012, 11:27:02 PM
Irayo ma tsmukan! (is that right?) But thanks, I've been meaning to read that but never really got around to it! But... What are infixes?  :-[

That's right! :)

Infixes are little bits that go INside verbs (instead of beginning or end) to change the meaning. Most notably tense, mood, etc.

Rawmpxom

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Oh okay, that makes sense then!  :) Doesn't sound too hard... And the order of words doesn't matter right? It's just the suffixes and infixes?
Eywa ngahu ulte oel ngati kameie!

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Rawmpxom on August 14, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
Oh okay, that makes sense then!  :) Doesn't sound too hard... And the order of words doesn't matter right? It's just the suffixes and infixes right?

There are times order matters. It's flexible word order, not free word order ;) Some orders are just straight word salad. XD but the restrictions that do exist just make sense.

The affixes change meaning as well a define role in the sentence. Noun cases show who's verbing what to who and such for example. Because of this, multiple word orders can mean the same thing Unlike in English, where reversing the subject and object literally reverses the meaning of the whole thing:

the dog sees the cat
The cat sees the dog

But making that kind of word order switch does nothing to the meaning, it depends on the endings. In that sense, ngaru tìyawr. ;)

Rawmpxom

Okay, that makes more sense... Still a little bit confusing, but definitely makes more sense  :) I guess since I'm still starting out grammar isn't the most important thing right now, or is it?
Eywa ngahu ulte oel ngati kameie!

Tirea Aean

I think it might be best, most practical, and probably most fun if you just dove ìn and chatted in the Na'vi boards, embracing correction and observation as a means of learning instead of memorizing technical things. :) give it a try? I am always around if you need me. Or if you wanna have a private chat in Na'vi sometime, I can do that too.