Kame's Vocabulary Sentences

[Plumps]

I think you meant fte(in order to) instead of ftu (from, directional) in that weaving sentence

This. When ftu is used I'd expect to specify material from which cloth is woven

Poel sräti teräftxu ftu (maybe fa would be better here) <flax, cotton etc.>

I'd say ta It's the same range as "you can make your bow from the wood of Hometree" and Paul said that ta is good for this use.

[Vawmataw]

Vocab Word	Example Sentence	Translation
sla'tsu	Fìpukìl sla'tsu 'okvurit Sawtuteyä mì Eywa'eveng.	This book describes the history of the Skypeople in Pandora.
stawm	Oel stawm 'uot a lerok.	I hear something approaching.
teswotìng	Eywal oeru tìtxurti teswotivìng.	May Eywa grant me strength.
täftxu	Poel sräti teräftxu ftu tsawfa pxenit ngivop.	She is weaving cloth to make clothes.
vewng	Vewng tskot oeyä rutxe.	Look after my bow please.
vin	Oel vin futa hu eyktan ultxa si.	I request to see the leader.
wo	Oel wolo yìt oeio.	I reached for the ledge above me.

*turns on the mistake detector*
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täftxu

Poel sräti teräftxu fte (tsawta) pxenit ngivop.

She is weaving cloth to make clothes.

wo

Oel wolo yìt oeio.

I reached for the ledge above me.

yìt a oeio? (I think it would be better with an a)

[Kame Ayyo’koti]

Oh man, so many dumb mistakes lol. I haven't been well the past few days, and my mind is just all fuzz. It's like I've forgotten all the rules I've learned.

At least these sentences are helping me remember the words , so it's definitely worth the effort.

Forgetting the a's were mistakes, and yeah, I meant fte not ftu.

I'd say ta It's the same range as "you can make your bow from the wood of Hometree" and Paul said that ta is good for this use.

Do you recommend this in my current sentence? Use ta instead of fa?
Poel sräti teräftxu fte tsawta pxenit ngivop. ?

[Tìtstewan]

I think, fa is ok as it means with, by means of, using (Horen 6.5.5).
Poel sräti teräftxu fte tsawfa pxenit ngivop.
She is weaving cloth to create clothings by using/with it.

Of corse, ta is also correct.

[Kame Ayyo’koti]

That first sentence says "On Pandora, this book describes the history of the sky people." If you want "the sky people on Pandora" as in "the sky people that are/were on Pandora" then you'll need particle "a" between sawtuteyä and mì

I know why I made that mistake there... "'okvur Sawtuteyä mì Eywa'eveng" is a reference to what Paul posted here:

'OKROL and 'OKVUR
'Okrol refers to the ancient tribal history of the Na'vi contained in the First Songs; 'okvur relates to more recent events, e.g. oeyä soaiayä 'okvur 'my family's history' or 'okvur Sawtuteyä mì Eywa'eveng 'the history of the Sky People on Pandora.'

I have that phrase in my Anki deck, so I've kinda "absorbed" it, but I forget that it's an example of Na'vi's "clipped register":

7.3.3.1. In noun phrase utterances, participles may go with their noun without using the attributive affix -a- (§6.9.1), tìkan tawnatep target lost (from the video game).

So yeah, I was recalling that phrase.

[Kame Ayyo’koti]

Vocab	Example	Translation
ewku	Poel olewku ewllit atxumnga' mì syuve.	She tasted poisonous plants in the food.
fewi	Pol tireat folewi kxamlä na'rìng.	He chased the ghost through the forest.
fpak	Olo'ìl fpak tìtusaronit nìfkrr.	The clan holds off from hunting currently.
muwìntxu	Karyul lì'fyat muwolìntxu tutéru.	The teacher introduced the woman to the language.
nekx	Txepìl na'rìngit nolekx.	The fire consumed the forest.
nong	'Evengìl saronyut nolong na'rìngnemfa.	The child followed the hunters into the forest.
pänutìng	Oel pänutìng futa tätxaw.	I promise to return.
ska'a	Yrrapìl ayhelkuti skola'a.	The storm destroyed the houses.
sko	Ngari lu oer nrra sempulsko.	As your father I'm proud of you.
sleyku	Fì'ewllìl sleyku tìtxen-susia ayunilit.	This plant produces waking dreams.
sloan	Oel payt sloloan oesìn.	I poured the water onto myself.
so'ha	Oel so'ha herwìt azusa'u.	I'm excited about the coming snow.
spule	Tskol swizawit spolule yakxamlä.	The bow propelled the arrow through the air.
sru'	Salioang tolul ulte ayewllit sru'.	The sturmbeasts ran and trampled the plants.
steyki	Peyä ayswizawìl palulukanit steykoli.	His arrows made the thanator angry.
stxenutìng	Olo'ìl ayforu syuveti stxenutolìng.	The clan offered them food.
sung	Sung pxeya 'uoti 'uoru akinä fte vomuna 'uoti ngivop.	Add three of something to seven of something to get ten of something.
tatep	Oel syehat oeyä tamatep alo apxay.	I lost awareness of my breath many times.
tsre'i	Oel tstalti tsrole'i.	I threw the knife.
tswa'	Furia aylì'uti tswa' oe txopu ke si.	I am not afraid to forget words.
yora'	Tìwäsulìri pongul awngeyä ewrot yolora'.	Our team won money in the competition.
yän	Pol aysä'ot yolän uranur.	He tied down the tools to the boat.
zìm	Poel 'uot astxong zìm mì sokx.	She feels something strange in her body.

Edit: Fixes.

[Blue Elf]

Pol tireat folewi kxamlä na'rìng. He chased the ghost through the forest.

Tirea is not ghost, it's spirit - it's something invisible, untouchable, it's consciousness, so you can hardly chase it elsewhere (...hu Eywa salew tirea, tokx 'ì'awn....)

Salioangìri tolul ulte ayewllit sru'. The sturmbeasts ran and trampled the plants

I see no reason to use topical, it's ok without case ending

Sung pxeyti kinäru fte vomunit ngop. Add three to seven to get ten.

Quite interesting, but not sure if it works. Question for Paul...

Aysamsiyul ayspe'etuti yolän utralur. The warriors tied the captives to a tree.

IMHO yìm is correct here instead of yän, also not sure about dative. I'd try "ne utral".

Anyway, you work very well!

[Vawmataw]

Pol tireat folewi kxamlä na'rìng. He chased the ghost through the forest.

Tirea is not ghost, it's spirit - it's something invisible, untouchable, it's consciousness, so you can hardly chase it elsewhere (...hu Eywa salew tirea, tokx 'ì'awn....)

Salioangìri tolul ulte ayewllit sru'. The sturmbeasts ran and trampled the plants

I see no reason to use topical, it's ok without case ending

Sung pxeyti kinäru fte vomunit ngop. Add three to seven to get ten.

Quite interesting, but not sure if it works. Question for Paul...

Aysamsiyul ayspe'etuti yolän utralur. The warriors tied the captives to a tree.

IMHO yìm is correct here instead of yän, also not sure about dative. I'd try "ne utral".

Anyway, you work very well!

1. Tirea is more or less related to ghost.
3. My try: 'awsitengyem meholpxayt alu kinä sì pxey fte sleykivu holpxayt alu vomun. But only Paul knows the right answer.

[Tìtstewan]

tirea could be translated more or less as "ghost", of course, not quite the same, but possible. (in the german dict-na'vi it's translated as "Geist" (Ma Plumps, what about Entität?).

As for math, we know nothing how Na'vi do/say math. This is definely a question for Pawl.

[Plumps]

I think, fa is ok as it means with, by means of, using (Horen 6.5.5).
Poel sräti teräftxu fte tsawfa pxenit ngivop.
She is weaving cloth to create clothings by using/with it.

Of corse, ta is also correct.

I'd also say both is correct but I tend more towards ta ... or leave it out completely. Do you need to add "from it" for it to be understood? It works without it as well

fewi

Pol tireat folewi kxamlä na'rìng.

He chased the ghost through the forest.

...

sleyku

Fì'ewllìl sleyku tìtxen-susia ayunilit.

This plant produces waking dreams.

...

sung

Sung pxeyti kinäru fte vomunit ngop.

Add three to seven to get ten.

...

yän

Aysamsiyul ayspe'etuti yolän utralur.

The warriors tied the captives to a tree.

I agree with most people here that tirea doesn't mean 'spirit' in the sense of 'ghost' (the image/essence of a deseased person) but rather the essence of a person, the soul, identity, etc. the ran?

For this reason, ma Tìtstewan, I don't support ,,Entität" as translation – it's along the lines of ,,Geist, Verstand, Seele".

The numbers don't work because the numbers are treated as adjectives. They cannot take case endings (they are only for (pro)nouns )

tìtxen-susia unil is a dream that is waking (someone) ... is this the meaning of "waking dream"? In German this translates to ,,Wachtraum" (a vision/dream like state that you have though being awake) ... I'd translate that as *txenunil if I had to. Na'vi often works similarly with these compounds.

Concerning yän vs. yìm ... we don't really have a lot of examples of these. I can only find yìm in the Spiral Song and there it is used with sìn which adds to the confusion.

[Blue Elf]

I agree with most people here that tirea doesn't mean 'spirit' in the sense of 'ghost' (the image/essence of a deseased person) but rather the essence of a person, the soul, identity, etc. the ran?

This seems like correct explanation! (but for soul we have vitra...)

Concerning yän vs. yìm ... we don't really have a lot of examples of these. I can only find yìm in the Spiral Song and there it is used with sìn which adds to the confusion.

I didn't know the Spiral song, thanks for the link. Sìn usage doesn't appear to me as confusing, except that "on" (on the surface of eight spirit paths) should be used on the place of "to".

[Plumps]

I agree with most people here that tirea doesn't mean 'spirit' in the sense of 'ghost' (the image/essence of a deseased person) but rather the essence of a person, the soul, identity, etc. the ran?

This seems like correct explanation! (but for soul we have vitra...)

I know, sometimes it is the only possibility to describe a word in translation by a range of other words...    this is the closest I can get to.

[Kame Ayyo’koti]

I would definitely like to know more about how the Na'vi handle numbers in speech. I wouldn't know how to contact Paul about that, though.

Whenever Paul gets around to describing number-handling I'll come up with something better. For the time being I'll try this:
Sung pxeya 'uoti 'uoru akinä fte vomuna 'uoti ngivop.
Add three of something to seven of something to get ten of something.

Perhaps the Na'vi would use counter words, like Japanese?

I agree with most people here that tirea doesn't mean 'spirit' in the sense of 'ghost' (the image/essence of a deseased person) but rather the essence of a person, the soul, identity, etc. the ran?

This seems like correct explanation! (but for soul we have vitra...)

I know, sometimes it is the only possibility to describe a word in translation by a range of other words...    this is the closest I can get to.

This is turning into an interesting discussion. I hope they reveal more about Na'vi spirituality and the meanings of these things in the future films.

For my purposes I'm going to leave it tirea.

tìtxen-susia unil is a dream that is waking (someone) ... is this the meaning of "waking dream"? In German this translates to ,,Wachtraum" (a vision/dream like state that you have though being awake) ... I'd translate that as *txenunil if I had to. Na'vi often works similarly with these compounds.

Concerning yän vs. yìm ... we don't really have a lot of examples of these. I can only find yìm in the Spiral Song and there it is used with sìn which adds to the confusion.[/size][/font]

I would like *txenunil. How about "dreams while (one is) awake?"
ayunil a fkoru lu tengkrr txen ?

More examples of those words would be great. How about this for yän:
Pol aysä'ot yolän uranur.
He tied down the tools to the boat.

[Kame Ayyo’koti]

3. My try: 'awsitengyem meholpxayt alu kinä sì pxey fte sleykivu holpxayt alu vomun. But only Paul knows the right answer.

I like that. I didn't consider using holpxay the way you did.