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Na'vi Rights
« on: October 29, 2015, 06:39:13 pm »
i was going to say human rights but then again...
anyway this is a simplified version of the UN human right act, trying to translate it. I believe the first one is somewhat:

 áwve muiä zet: nì’eng

but i doubt it. any help would be appreciated

Article 1 Right to Equality
Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination
Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security
Article 4 Freedom from Slavery
Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment
Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law
Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law
Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal
Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile
Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing
Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty
Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence
Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country
Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution
Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It
Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family
Article 17 Right to Own Property
Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion
Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information
Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association
Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections
Article 22 Right to Social Security
Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions
Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure
Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard
Article 26 Right to Education
Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community
Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document
Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development
Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 06:46:04 pm »
Hello and welcome, ehesh!

Unfortunately a lot of these words are not available in Na'vi. :(
However, it would be nice to have those rights translated into Na'vi one day. :D
« Last Edit: October 29, 2015, 07:00:39 pm by Vawmataw »

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 06:58:54 pm »
Kaltxì ulte zola'u nìprrte' ma ehesh  :)

Hello and welcome, ehesh  :)

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2015, 03:50:59 am »
Welcome ehesh,

From the viewpoint of the Na'vi culture, some of the articles can't be translated easily, because the lack of cultural information and concepts.

But let me try some:

Koren a'awve: Frapor lu tenga skxom sì tson
Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination - we don't have a word for "Discrimination", yet.
Koren apxeyve: Frapo tsun rivey, kivä ne fratseng, livu kxuke
Article 4 Freedom from Slavery - we haven't a word for "Slavery". We don't know (yet) wherther the Na'vi ever have had slavery...
Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment - I am not sure how to traslate this properly...
Koren apuve: Ayhorenìl tslam/tse'a frapot na tute
Koren akive: Frapo lu teng eo ayhoren - this seems to be very litteral
Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal - ??
Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile - missing some words...
Frapo tsun ftxivulì'u nìyll
Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty - No idea how to translate this. I believe there is missing one or two words.
Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence - ??
Koren avomrrve: Frapo tsun kivä fratseng
Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution - Asylum in Na'vi?
Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It - There are no states on Pandora, so there is no concept of this in Na'vi
Koren amevolve: Soaia sì tìmuntxa
Article 17 Right to Own Property - We haven't a grammatical concept of "own" things, yet
Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion - hmmm...
Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information - We need more words...
Koren amevosìngve: Frapo tsun ultxa sivi nìmwey
Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections - I guess, this would fill an own topic...
Article 22 Right to Social Security - I am not sure how to translate this. Hmm...
Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions - No vocab for this, yet.
Koren apxevolve: Tìsyor sì tìk'ìn
Koren apxevolawve: Lefpoma tìrey - this is tricky
Koren apxevomune: Sänumvi

And for these:
Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community
Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document
Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development
Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights
...missing some useful words.

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2015, 05:33:46 pm »

Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination - we don't have a word for "Discrimination", yet.


A society like the Na'vi would not know the concept.
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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2015, 05:48:55 pm »

Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination - we don't have a word for "Discrimination", yet.


A society like the Na'vi would not know the concept.
Probably.

Translating this word needs a bit of work.

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2015, 05:59:36 pm »
Koren a'awve: Zivet frapot nìtengfya?

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2015, 06:06:39 pm »

Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination - we don't have a word for "Discrimination", yet.


A society like the Na'vi would not know the concept.

I’m not so sure about that… There have been wars amongst the clans. It’s a very common form of warfare to treat the opposing force not very kindly (to say it mildly).
Tsu’tey makes fun of Jake all the time in his Avatar body. Don’t you think that his snide remarks could be interpreted as discrimination?  … that later turns into respect? :-\

Btw, we don’t have a word for freedom either :P

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2015, 06:30:15 pm »
^ True idea.
But it's depend on interpretation of world discrimination.

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Tsu’tey makes fun of Jake all the time in his Avatar body. Don’t you think that his snide remarks could be interpreted as discrimination?
In this case is for me better interpretation as derogation, disdain.

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Re: Na'vi Rights
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2015, 08:30:25 pm »
Koren A'awve
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Fratuteru a 'ongokx livu txew akea sì leioae ulte livu teng. Fratuteri lu tirea, tsun fpìvil ulte zivet fìtsap sko smuk.

I translated it because I think it's the most known article.

Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It - There are no states on Pandora, so there is no concept of this in Na'vi
For the Na'vi, it could be a clan, a nation or a people.
However, I don't think a Na'vi will want to move to another clan unless there's a very special marriage or the clan itself chases the person...

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Koren apxevolawve: Lefpoma tìrey - this is tricky
Adequate living standard...
Tìfkeytok tìreyä livu sìltsan nìtam?

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Koren akive: Frapo lu teng eo ayhoren - this seems to be very litteral
I'd say ìlä instead of eo. What do you think?

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Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion - hmmm...
Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information - We need more words...
18. The freedom, the right to have your own beliefs or in a way a fpìlfya?
19. We have säplltxevi (comment) and säomum (information, piece of information). We could also talk about the freedom of speech and to know.

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Article 22 Right to Social Security - I am not sure how to translate this. Hmm...
One can be safe in a clan.
Fko tsun livu kxukxe mì olo'.

I'm not entirely sure.

 

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