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Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« on: January 22, 2011, 09:11:20 pm »
Hey all! I tried my best with these (some are straight from Frommer or the movie but a few are not) so if anyone could be so kind as to correct my errors I will be able to go back and fix these, so everyone can use them :D

Link to the Valentines (as pictures): http://truro.deviantart.com/art/AVATAR-Valentines-194534382

Phrases I'm questioning:

Kivar oet kameie - "Teach me to see"
'Ivefu zene ngati mìfa - "This you must feel inside"

Thank you so much for your time and patience! 
Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature.  - St. Augustine

 



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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 01:13:51 pm »
For the first phrase I would say kivar oeru fte kameie.  Here there is an implied fya'ot.

Second phrase I would say Fì'uri zene nga 'ivefu mìfa.

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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2011, 05:57:39 am »
For the first phrase I would say kivar oeru fte kameie.  Here there is an implied fya'ot.

This way seems a little weird to me*. I would stick with modal syntax: kivar oeti kivame*.

Agree on the second one.
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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2011, 06:19:31 am »
For the first phrase I would say kivar oeru fte kameie.  Here there is an implied fya'ot.

This way seems a little weird to me*. I would stick with modal syntax: kivar oeti kivame*.

Agree on the second one.
Problems: kar is not modal, and even if it was, modal verbs are intransitive (with the exception of new and kan, and even they cannot have both a direct object and a controlled verb (unless that verb is inside a direct object clause) at the same time).

I think kivar oeru fte kivameie is fine.
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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2011, 07:04:05 am »
Srane, now I see it wouldn't work this way. But still I don't like fte here.
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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2011, 10:37:34 am »
I think kivar oeru fte kivameie is fine.

I think kivar oeti furia kame ;)
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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2011, 10:53:04 am »
I think kivar oeru fte kivameie is fine.

I think kivar oeti furia kame ;)
I don't like this for two reasons:

1. We don't know that kar is transitive.
My bad; we got confirmation that it is indeed transitive from the christmas songs.

2. Topicals should be clause initial.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2011, 10:58:32 am by Carborundum »
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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2011, 11:46:30 am »
2. Topicals should be clause initial.

Well.. Furia kame kivar oeti.
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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2011, 12:14:18 pm »
Even though it is the line from the movie, I think it's "incorrect" from Na'vi point of view because "No one can teach you to See" ;)
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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2011, 01:11:29 pm »
Even though it is the line from the movie, I think it's "incorrect" from Na'vi point of view because "No one can teach you to See" ;)
Except for that, what about: kar oeri tìkusamet?

Oer wivìntxu ngal oey keyeyt krr a tse'a sat. Frakrr.

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Re: Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 01:22:59 pm »
Except for that, what about: kar oeri tìkusamet?

1. We still don't know how kar works in such constructions. 2. Stylistically seems weird to me.
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