Na'vi Valentines - Language Help requested

Started by ToktorGrace, January 22, 2011, 09:11:20 PM

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ToktorGrace

Hey all! I tried my best with these (some are straight from Frommer or the movie but a few are not) so if anyone could be so kind as to correct my errors I will be able to go back and fix these, so everyone can use them :D

Link to the Valentines (as pictures): http://truro.deviantart.com/art/AVATAR-Valentines-194534382

Phrases I'm questioning:

Kivar oet kameie - "Teach me to see"
'Ivefu zene ngati mìfa - "This you must feel inside"

Thank you so much for your time and patience! 
Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature.  - St. Augustine

 



I speak Na'vi with a French accent...

'Oma Tirea

For the first phrase I would say kivar oeru fte kameie.  Here there is an implied fya'ot.

Second phrase I would say Fì'uri zene nga 'ivefu mìfa.

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ÌTXTSTXRR!!

Srake serar le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyayä aylì'ut?  Nari si älofoniru rutxe!!

Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on January 24, 2011, 01:13:51 PM
For the first phrase I would say kivar oeru fte kameie.  Here there is an implied fya'ot.

This way seems a little weird to me*. I would stick with modal syntax: kivar oeti kivame*.

Agree on the second one.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Carborundum

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on January 26, 2011, 05:57:39 AM
Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on January 24, 2011, 01:13:51 PM
For the first phrase I would say kivar oeru fte kameie.  Here there is an implied fya'ot.

This way seems a little weird to me*. I would stick with modal syntax: kivar oeti kivame*.

Agree on the second one.
Problems: kar is not modal, and even if it was, modal verbs are intransitive (with the exception of new and kan, and even they cannot have both a direct object and a controlled verb (unless that verb is inside a direct object clause) at the same time).

I think kivar oeru fte kivameie is fine.
We learn from our mistakes only if we are made aware of them.
If I make a mistake, please bring it to my attention for karma.

Sireayä mokri

Srane, now I see it wouldn't work this way. But still I don't like fte here.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Kemaweyan

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Carborundum

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Quote from: Kemaweyan on January 26, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: Carborundum on January 26, 2011, 06:19:31 AM
I think kivar oeru fte kivameie is fine.

I think kivar oeti furia kame ;)
I don't like this for two reasons:

1. We don't know that kar is transitive.
My bad; we got confirmation that it is indeed transitive from the christmas songs.

2. Topicals should be clause initial.
We learn from our mistakes only if we are made aware of them.
If I make a mistake, please bring it to my attention for karma.

Kemaweyan

Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Sireayä mokri

Even though it is the line from the movie, I think it's "incorrect" from Na'vi point of view because "No one can teach you to See" ;)
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Ataeghane

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on January 26, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
Even though it is the line from the movie, I think it's "incorrect" from Na'vi point of view because "No one can teach you to See" ;)
Except for that, what about: kar oeri tìkusamet?

Oer wivìntxu ngal oey keyeyt krr a tse'a sat. Frakrr.

Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Ataeghane on February 02, 2011, 01:11:29 PM
Except for that, what about: kar oeri tìkusamet?

1. We still don't know how kar works in such constructions. 2. Stylistically seems weird to me.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.