Oheng...

Started by 'Oma Tirea, July 01, 2011, 11:56:04 PM

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'Oma Tirea

Could it be... a first-person, honorific, inclusive pronoun?

Quote'Awvea ultxari ohengeyä, Nawma Sa'nok lrrtok siveiyi.

Could this mean there is also pxoheng? Ayoheng?  Related: is ayohe or ayngenga possible?

...and is there a third-person honorific pronoun expected in the language sometime?

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Oheng is an open unanswered question in William's grammar reference.  However, it could just be attributed to Norm not knowing the language well and trying to be overly formal.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there is no third person honorific, which makes sense as ceremonial occasions are most often done to the person the ceremony is for.
Ftxey lu nga tokx ftxey lu nga tirea? Lu oe tìkeftxo.
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Lance R. Casey

From the canon wiki:

Quote from: K. Pawl
Formal forms: Only for 1st pers. excl. and 2nd pers.


Formal pronounssing.dualtrialplural
1st person, exclusiveohemohepxoheayohe
2nd personngengamengengapxengengaayngenga

For inclusive forms, you use separate pronouns, e.g., ohe ngengasì (where is "and" cliticized to the second element).
Ohengeyä appears to be a contraction of some sort.

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In Czech grammar we have this note:
"Ohe ngengasì returns back to single-word form during declension: ohengeyä"

But I don't know where this information comes from and if it is valid. Translation is based on wikibook, naviteri and messages from this forum.
But oheng doesn't exist - correct form for first person inclusive dual is ohe ngengasì, as stated
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Lance R. Casey on July 02, 2011, 07:00:50 AM
From the canon wiki:

Quote from: K. Pawl
Formal forms: Only for 1st pers. excl. and 2nd pers.


Formal pronounssing.dualtrialplural
1st person, exclusiveohemohepxoheayohe
2nd personngengamengengapxengengaayngenga

For inclusive forms, you use separate pronouns, e.g., ohe ngengasì (where is "and" cliticized to the second element).
Ohengeyä appears to be a contraction of some sort.

...or it really could be Norm flailing a little... or it could be a once-trashed piece of the language because it was in development.  In any case, tsari irayo.

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