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Offline wisnij

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Pronouns
« on: December 23, 2009, 11:39:28 pm »
That four-by-four table can look confusing at first glance, so here's a way to think about the pronouns that may be easier:

oeI
ngayou
pohe/she
metwo (the dual affix)
aymany (the plural affix)

The easy part is realizing that many of the other forms are just combining some of those four pieces in various combinations.  nga becomes ng when combining with oe, and po can turn into fo via lenition, but otherwise it's pretty straightforward:

ay-oemany-meexclusive 1st person plural"us guys"
oe-ngme-youinclusive 1st person dual"me and you"
ay-oe-ngmany-me-youinclusive 1st person plural"us guys and you"
ay-ngamany-you2nd person plural"you guys"
me-fotwo-he/she3nd person dual"those two"
ay-fomany-he/she3nd person plural"those guys"

By extension, the second person dual ("you two") might be *me-nga.

There are supposedly trial forms but we don't know any of those yet.  I'll lay odds they work similarly though.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2009, 11:49:25 pm by wisnij »
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2009, 11:46:54 pm »
Man, I just figured this stuff out for myself like an hour ago. ack!

that said, you did it far more eloquently, stickied :D

Also, you should add 'posessive pronouns'  ay-oe-yä and the like


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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2009, 01:35:28 am »
Awesome arrangement work!  Thanks!
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2009, 07:14:53 pm »
wow this is great! thanks.

yeah, looking at the 4x4 table sort of made sense but having the suffixes pointed out really helped.

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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2009, 06:59:22 am »
Hey, great idea. This will help me.

Btw, what's the difference between "moe" and "ayoe"? (Noticed you didn't include "moe", exclusive 1st person dual.)

Is moe, for example: me and some other guy were walking along the path? (Moeri fya'oìlä tolìran.) And ayoe: We were all walking along the path (implied: but you were not with us)?

And oeng: you and I were walking along the path. And ayoeng: We were all walking along the path (implied: and you were with us).

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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2009, 11:18:44 am »
Hey, great idea. This will help me.

Btw, what's the difference between "moe" and "ayoe"? (Noticed you didn't include "moe", exclusive 1st person dual.)

Is moe, for example: me and some other guy were walking along the path? (Moeri fya'oìlä tolìran.) And ayoe: We were all walking along the path (implied: but you were not with us)?

And oeng: you and I were walking along the path. And ayoeng: We were all walking along the path (implied: and you were with us).

exactly that!

moe (dual exclusive) - me and someone else, but the one who I'm talking to is not included
ayoe (plural exclusive) - all of us, except the one who I'm talking to

oeng (dual inclusive) - me and the one who I'm talking to
ayoeng (plural inclusive) - me and everybody else, including who I'm talking to
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2009, 09:34:53 pm »
Very brilliant!  Many kudos, oeyä lertu!
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 12:25:16 am »
Hey thanks :D
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 12:31:03 am »
I got an idea, make the table into a stunning visual card,for the visual learners.
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2009, 01:01:54 am »
What's the difference between "oe" and "ohe"; "nga" and "ngenga"?
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2009, 01:09:43 am »
Oe is simply I

Ohe is I but ceremonial

nga is you

and ngenga is an honorific.
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2009, 04:29:57 am »
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2009, 08:30:50 pm »
Thank you for explaining this to me, I've been trying to chart out the pronouns for two days and the way the pronouns have been explained was all jumbled up and confused to me.

So that pronouns are pretty much separated this way:

Singular Pronouns
1st Person - Me/I - Oe
2nd Person - You - Nga
3rd Person - Him/Her - Poan/Poé

Dual Pronouns
1st Person Inclusive - Me and You - Oe-ng
1st Person Exclusive - Me and Her - Moe
2nd Person - You and Her - *me-nga
3rd Person - Him and Her -me-fo

Plural Pronouns
1st Person Inclusive - Me, You and more - ay-oe-ng
1st Person Exclusive - Me, Her and more - ay-oe
2nd Person - You, Her and more - ay-nga
3rd Person - Him, Her and more - ay-fo

Is that about right?
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2009, 12:39:56 am »
Thank you for explaining this to me, I've been trying to chart out the pronouns for two days and the way the pronouns have been explained was all jumbled up and confused to me.

So that pronouns are pretty much separated this way:

Singular Pronouns
1st Person - Me/I - Oe
2nd Person - You - Nga
3rd Person - Him/Her - Poan/Poé

Dual Pronouns
1st Person Inclusive - Me and You - Oe-ng
1st Person Exclusive - Me and Her - Moe
2nd Person - You and Her - *me-nga
3rd Person - Him and Her -me-fo

Plural Pronouns
1st Person Inclusive - Me, You and more - ay-oe-ng
1st Person Exclusive - Me, Her and more - ay-oe
2nd Person - You, Her and more - ay-nga
3rd Person - Him, Her and more - ay-fo

Is that about right?

You have the gender suffix versions of singular 3rd person, but the genderless of the dual and plural.

3rd person singular: po (it/they) po-an (he) po-e (she)
3rd person dual: me-fo (Those two) me-fo-an (Those two guys) me-fo-e (Those two girls)
3rd person plural: ay-fo (Them) ay-fo-an (Those guys) ay-fo-e (Those girls), or alternately just fo, fo-an and fo-e would work as well.
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2009, 02:13:28 am »
This should be added to the wiki when we have some time.
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2009, 09:04:32 am »
I started adding pronoun information http://wiki.learnnavi.org/Pronouns.  Anyone can make an account and start editing :)
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2010, 03:27:18 pm »
Hey, great idea. This will help me.

Btw, what's the difference between "moe" and "ayoe"? (Noticed you didn't include "moe", exclusive 1st person dual.)

Is moe, for example: me and some other guy were walking along the path? (Moeri fya'oìlä tolìran.) And ayoe: We were all walking along the path (implied: but you were not with us)?

And oeng: you and I were walking along the path. And ayoeng: We were all walking along the path (implied: and you were with us).

exactly that!

moe (dual exclusive) - me and someone else, but the one who I'm talking to is not included
ayoe (plural exclusive) - all of us, except the one who I'm talking to

oeng (dual inclusive) - me and the one who I'm talking to
ayoeng (plural inclusive) - me and everybody else, including who I'm talking to


This should be in the mainpost!
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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2010, 03:30:00 pm »
Oe is simply I

Ohe is I but ceremonial

nga is you

and ngenga is an honorific.

I don't really understand the difference.. Could you put it in a context with english translation?

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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 03:41:39 pm »
I've been looking around this area trying to find "your", specifically so I can write "what is your name?" in Na'vi for the RP. I've been combing here and the website looking for it as either a pronoun or as "interaction", but so far no joy.

A form of "aynga", right?

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Re: Pronouns
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2010, 03:45:25 pm »
well..to add possession, you use -yä, therefore, you would most likely say:

nga-yä ---------> to represent "your"

however, i'm unaware of a direct translation for "what is your name?" but a possible re-route question would be:

peu     ay-po-l      nga-ti     syaw?

          PL, ERG       ACC

What     they         you       call ----------> What do they call you?

Dont know if thats perfect/suitable though.
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