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« on: March 08, 2011, 03:45:53 pm »
So, I'm going through the dictionary looking for the word "stranger".  Unfortunately, there is no word for stranger (yet).  So, I figure I will arbitrarily create one for the time being (using tì-).  However, "strange" has two words, hiyìk and stxong.  How do I know which one to use for a casual greeting?  My first thought is stxong, but I want to double-check. :)


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Re: Stranger
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2011, 03:55:35 pm »
In most languages you wouldn't call someone "stranger" as a casual greeting.

As for the word itself, I think ketuwong is a strong candidate. Just as alien originally meant stranger, it is probable that the Na'vi word was similarly extended to describe extrapandorians.
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Re: Stranger
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2011, 03:59:57 pm »
In most languages you wouldn't call someone "stranger" as a casual greeting.
Only in America, I suppose... ;D

As for the word itself, I think ketuwong is a strong candidate. Just as alien originally meant stranger, it is probable that the Na'vi word was similarly extended to describe extrapandorians.
>.> Didn't even think about that.  Irayo!  :)


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Re: Stranger
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2011, 04:14:56 pm »
Unrelated to the original topic, but how is wìntxu divided into syllables?  How is it even "legal" is n and tx cannot appear with other consonants?  Am I missing something or is this an exception?  (And where would infixes go?)  ???


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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 04:33:46 pm »
It is syllabified as wìn and txu, both of which are legal syllables, so nothing strange is going on here.
Infix positions are standard: w‹0›‹1›ìntx‹2›u.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 04:42:49 pm »
It is syllabified as wìn and txu, both of which are legal syllables, so nothing strange is going on here.

So consonant+consonant is fine when they are two different syllables; they just can't be together in the same syllable?

And new question: If I wanted to say "This is my family", would I use ayfìpo because there are multiple people, or just fìpo because soaia is singular?



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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 05:01:34 pm »

So consonant+consonant is fine when they are two different syllables; they just can't be together in the same syllable?
Yep.

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And new question: If I wanted to say "This is my family", would I use ayfìpo because there are multiple people, or just fìpo because soaia is singular?
It would be fayfo. Demonstrative markers (fì-, tsa-) go before plural markers (me+, pxe+, ay+). When used together with ay+, they combine into fay+ and tsay+, meaning these and those, respectively.
So, fayfo lu soaia oeyä, these (people) are my family, would be correct.

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Re: Stranger
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 05:32:21 pm »
Don't be afraid to ask questions. Ask all that you want. :)
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Re: Stranger
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 05:44:17 pm »
Don't be afraid to ask questions. Ask all that you want. :)
Ahahahahahaha.  Don't say that. XD You may get more than you bargained for. ;D

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All right, so maybe I lied... >_>

It would be fayfo. Demonstrative markers (fì-, tsa-) go before plural markers (me+, pxe+, ay+). When used together with ay+, they combine into fay+ and tsay+, meaning these and those, respectively.
So, fayfo lu soaia oeyä, these (people) are my family, would be correct.
fmefo/tsmefo
fpxefo/tspxefo
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Fmefo lu tsmukan oeyä? :3

And what if I want to say "My older brother's name is X"  Would it have to be "My brother-older-than-me's name is X"?
« Last Edit: March 08, 2011, 06:01:16 pm by Tanhì Mì Ton »


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Re: Stranger
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 06:27:20 pm »
We have something from Karyu Pawl about stxong:

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Note the difference between the verb hek and the adjective stxong ‘strange, unfamiliar, unknown.’ Hek is used for something odd, unexpected, or puzzling but not necessarily bad. Stxong is stronger and usually has a negative connotation: it’s applied to something previously unknown or unimagined that appears threatening or dangerous.

So he said that stxong always means "strange" in the bad sense. But hiyìk also (or perhaps only) is used for "strange" (or even "funny"), if you just can't understand it.
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Re: Stranger
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 06:30:22 pm »
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Note the difference between the verb hek and the adjective stxong ‘strange, unfamiliar, unknown.’ Hek is used for something odd, unexpected, or puzzling but not necessarily bad. Stxong is stronger and usually has a negative connotation: it’s applied to something previously unknown or unimagined that appears threatening or dangerous.

So he said that stxong always means "strange" in the bad sense. But hiyìk also (or perhaps only) is used for "strange" (or even "funny"), if you just can't understand it.

All right.  So stxong would be more of a threatening sound in the bushes (maybe Palulukan is nearby).  Oh, it's only Seze.  That's hiyìk. ^^


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Re: Stranger
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 11:17:53 am »
It would be fayfo. Demonstrative markers (fì-, tsa-) go before plural markers (me+, pxe+, ay+). When used together with ay+, they combine into fay+ and tsay+, meaning these and those, respectively.
So, fayfo lu soaia oeyä, these (people) are my family, would be correct.
fmefo/tsmefo
fpxefo/tspxefo
?

Fmefo lu tsmukan oeyä? :3
These words are not blessed by Dr. Frommer, so I'd be careful about using them. However, I wouldn't be surprised if fìmefo was shortened into *fmefo in casual/rapid speech (in fact, I would be surprised if it wasn't). Same goes for the other words.

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And what if I want to say "My older brother's name is X"  Would it have to be "My brother-older-than-me's name is X"?
There's likely an idiomatic way to say older/younger sibling that we aren't aware of yet. It might even be a dedicated word.
Until we know how to say it properly, yes, you would need to say fko syaw oeyä tsmukanur a koak to oe lu X.
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Re: Stranger
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 11:27:15 am »
fmefo/tsmefo
fpxefo/tspxefo
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Fmefo lu tsmukan oeyä? :3
These words are not blessed by Dr. Frommer, so I'd be careful about using them. However, I wouldn't be surprised if fìmefo was shortened into *fmefo in casual/rapid speech (in fact, I would be surprised if it wasn't). Same goes for the other words.
o.o Right.

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And what if I want to say "My older brother's name is X"  Would it have to be "My brother-older-than-me's name is X"?
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There's likely an idiomatic way to say older/younger sibling that we aren't aware of yet. It might even be a dedicated word.
Until we know how to say it properly, yes, you would need to say fko syaw oeyä tsmukanur a koak to oe lu X.
:o

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Well, I suppose there is no other option right now. >_> Maybe younger sibling could be something like tsmukantsyìp/tsmuketsyìp? :3 Not that I would use them, but maybe a viable option?


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Re: Stranger
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 11:35:08 am »
Maybe younger sibling could be something like tsmukantsyìp/tsmuketsyìp? :3 Not that I would use them, but maybe a viable option?
Entirely possible. Unfortunately there is no "opposite" to -tsyìp with which to create older sibling, but the words for older/younger sibling don't necessarily have to look the same.
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Re: Stranger
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 11:37:25 am »
Maybe younger sibling could be something like tsmukantsyìp/tsmuketsyìp? :3 Not that I would use them, but maybe a viable option?
Entirely possible. Unfortunately there is no "opposite" to -tsyìp with which to create older sibling, but the words for older/younger sibling don't necessarily have to look the same.
Tsmukantsyìp
Tsmuketsyìp
Tsmukaskxawng
Tsmukeskxawng

 ;D rofhrh

Just kidding. :3


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