Translations of a few phrases...

eejmensenikbenhet · March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM

Hey guys, I'm translating a few sentences and I would like your opinion because I don't know whether they're correct or not. (Expecially the ones with 'to be king'.)

A little lion was born.
Palulukantsyìp 'amongokx.

(they) Will teach him to be king.
Kayar poan lu 'eyktan.

But an evil lion wants to be king.
Slä palulukan anawm new lu 'eyktan.

Will he find his true life after hanging out with friends?
Maw käteng eylanhu amip tìrey angay rayun srak?

Tswusayona Tsamsiyu · March 03, 2011, 01:58:39 PM

in the second sentence I would say kayar poan fte layu 'eyktan.
in the third: nawm is great, noble, and evil is kawng. also after new you must put subjunctive.
the sentence should look like this: slä palulukantsyìp akawng new livu 'eyktan.
I think that's it.

Kemaweyan · March 03, 2011, 02:00:52 PM

Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
A little lion was born.
Palulukantsyìp 'amongokx.

It's correct, though I prefer to use -ol- here.

Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
(they) Will teach him to be king.
Kayar poan lu 'eyktan.

I guess it should be Furia lu 'eyktan, fkol poanit kayar.

Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
But an evil lion wants to be king.
Slä palulukan anawm new lu 'eyktan.

Slä palulukan akawng new livu 'eyktan.

I think you meant kawng instead of nawm, because nawm is "great"

Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
Will he find his true life after hanging out with friends?
Maw käteng eylanhu amip tìrey angay rayun srak?

Maw fwa käteng eylanhu amip, tìreyti angay rayun pol srak?

Sireayä mokri · March 03, 2011, 02:06:17 PM

Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 03, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
fkol poanit kayar.[/b]

One should keep in mind that kar is not confirmed as transitive.

Kemaweyan · March 03, 2011, 02:11:26 PM

Quote from: Tswusayona Tsamsiyu on March 03, 2011, 01:58:39 PM
in the second sentence I would say kayar poan fte layu 'eyktan.

You should mark poanit as patient, because it's the object of the verb kar. Also after fte we always use subjective: fte livu 'eyktan. But I think it this sentence fte would be wrong, because IMO it means that "to be king" is the goal of teaching, but I understand this sentence as "to be king" is a subject of teaching - i.e. "how to be king". Then use topical furia...

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on March 03, 2011, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 03, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
fkol poanit kayar.

One should keep in mind that kar is not confirmed as transitive.

Sure.. Otherwise use dative:

fko poanur kayar

eejmensenikbenhet · March 03, 2011, 02:32:22 PM

Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 03, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
A little lion was born.
Palulukantsyìp 'amongokx.

It's correct, though I prefer to use -ol- here.

Well, I'm more into <am> when it's infinite, probably from my native tongue...

Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 03, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
(they) Will teach him to be king.
Kayar poan lu 'eyktan.

I guess it should be Furia lu 'eyktan, fkol poanit kayar.
Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
But an evil lion wants to be king.
Slä palulukan anawm new lu 'eyktan.

Slä palulukan akawng new livu 'eyktan.

I think you meant kawng instead of nawm, because nawm is "great"

Yeah, correct, typo, in the Word document it says akawng...

Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 03, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
Will he find his true life after hanging out with friends?
Maw käteng eylanhu amip tìrey angay rayun srak?

Maw fwa käteng eylanhu amip, tìreyti angay rayun pol srak?

eejmensenikbenhet · March 03, 2011, 02:45:16 PM

So, a second attempt, with all your corrections:

A little lion was born.
Palulukantsyìp 'amongokx.

(they) Will teach him to be king.
Furia lu 'eyktan, fkol poanit/fko poanur kayar.

But an evil lion wants to be king.
Slä palulukan akawng new livu 'eyktan.

Will he find his true life after hanging out with friends?
Maw fwa käteng eylanhu amip, tìreyti angay rayun pol srak?

Kemaweyan · March 03, 2011, 02:51:41 PM

Only one comment: I think it's a typo akawm, isn't it?

Tswusayona Tsamsiyu · March 03, 2011, 03:00:30 PM

it is kawng.

Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì · March 03, 2011, 03:22:19 PM

Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 02:45:16 PM
(they) Will teach him to be king.
Furia lu 'eyktan, fkol poanit/fko poanur kayar.

Here I think the dative would be better. My 2 cents

-Txonä Rolyu

Carborundum · March 03, 2011, 03:56:53 PM

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on March 03, 2011, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: Kemaweyan on March 03, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
fkol poanit kayar.[/b]

One should keep in mind that kar is not confirmed as transitive.

It is, actually. From the Christmas Songs:

ngal keiar oeru futa meoauniaeal frakrr awngati fmereial
you teach me that harmony is always sustaining us

ngal keiar oeru fì'ut
you teach me this

Kemaweyan · March 03, 2011, 04:43:57 PM

Hmm.. eltur tìtxen si NÌTXAN. So I understood this word wrong... Irayo nìtxan, ma tsmukan.

eejmensenikbenhet · March 04, 2011, 01:47:22 AM

Quote from: eejmensenikbenhet on March 03, 2011, 02:45:16 PM
A little lion was born.
Palulukantsyìp 'amongokx.

(they) Will teach him to be king.
Furia lu 'eyktan, fko poanur kayar.

But an evil lion wants to be king.
Slä palulukan akawng new livu 'eyktan.

Will he find his true life after hanging out with friends?
Maw fwa käteng eylanhu amip, tìreyti angay rayun pol srak?

Irayo nìtxan ma oeyä smukan smukesì!

Sireayä mokri · March 04, 2011, 05:17:52 AM

Quote from: Carborundum on March 03, 2011, 03:56:53 PM
It is, actually. From the Christmas Songs:

ngal keiar oeru futa meoauniaeal frakrr awngati fmereial
you teach me that harmony is always sustaining us

ngal keiar oeru fì'ut
you teach me this

Looks like I missed this one, irayo.