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Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

kaltxi

Oel ngati kameie.
Oeru syaw mip Na'vi tutee, Ney'ite 
Oe kato sänume mì Na'vi
Rutxe srung sivi oer ne kame

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Kame Ayyo’koti

Oe tsulfätu lì'fyayä ke lu, slä oe fmayi srung sivi.

You're off to a good start. :) I don't know if anyone's available to be a tutor, but if you ask questions here we can help you out.

Some fixes to your sentences:
Quote from: LBI on May 31, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
kaltxì

Oel ngati kameie.
Oeru syaw Ney'ite, ulte oe mipa Na'vi lu.
Oel kin(?) sänumeti nìNa'vi
Rutxe srung si oer fte oe tsun kivame

irayo
Ney'ite
The letters i and ì are different sounds. They can make the difference between one word and another, so be sure to use the right one.

The phrase «oeru syaw (fko) ...» is used for names, not what kind of person you are (such as a new Na'vi), so your name goes there. I added an extra sentence to explain who/what you are.

«Kato» means "rhythm," so I'm sure that's not what you meant. I'm guessing you wanted «kin», which is "need."

Also, as strange as it sounds, there is no word in Na'vi for the Na'vi language. «Na'vi» always refers to the people. So if you want to refer to the language, you can call it «lì'fya leNa'vi» («leNa'vi» is an adjective that describes a noun, so this means "(the) Na'vian language"). If you want to say "in the Na'vi language" you use the adverb «nìNa'vi», such as «Oe plltxe nìNa'vi» which means "I speak Na'vi." It literally means "I speak Na'vily/like the Na'vi." That probably sounds silly, but sometimes things are said differently in another language. I consider it a part of the awesome weirdness of Na'vi. :P

I don't think <iv> is needed in «srung sivi». This last sentence is a little difficult to explain. What I understand is that «ne-» is for when you are going to a place, for example «Kä oe ne numtseng.», "I go to school." It can be hard to understand, but English uses the form "to verb" for many different things, and Na'vi has certain ways of creating that.

For example, the infix <iv> can mean "to verb", when it's used with certain other verbs like «sngä'i», "start/begin."
Oe sngä'i tivaron. I begin to hunt.

There are other ways too; it's a matter of knowing what to use when. But to my knowledge «ne-» is never used to create the form "to verb."

«Fte» means "in order to ..." or "so that ...". That's the best way I can think of writing that sentence.


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Tìtstewan

Quote from: Kame Ayyo'koti on June 01, 2014, 09:04:53 AM
«Kato» means "rhythm," so I'm sure that's not what you meant. I'm guessing you wanted «kin», which is "need."

Also, as strange as it sounds, there is no word in Na'vi for the Na'vi language. «Na'vi» always refers to the people. So if you want to refer to the language, you can call it «lì'fya leNa'vi» («leNa'vi» is an adjective that describes a noun, so this means "(the) Na'vian language"). If you want to say "in the Na'vi language" you use the adverb «nìNa'vi», such as «Oe plltxe nìNa'vi» which means "I speak Na'vi." It literally means "I speak Na'vily/like the Na'vi." That probably sounds silly, but sometimes things are said differently in another language. I consider it a part of the awesome weirdness of Na'vi. :P
Maybe she means something like,
"I need teaching in Na'vi language on a daily basis."
Oel kin nìtrrtrr sänumet a mì lì'fya leNa'vi. [lit.: I need regularly teaching which is in the Na'vi language.]
But I'm also not sure, but this wold be my idea as I saw "kato" there.

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Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

it was something along the lines of wanting teaching in te Na'vi langauge
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QuoteRutxe srung si oer fte oe tsivun kivame
Just small note - in verb after fte/fteke you must always put <iv>
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Plumps

Quote from: LBI on June 01, 2014, 12:24:35 PM
it was something along the lines of wanting teaching in te Na'vi langauge

You see, ma LBI? One question and so many people come to help you. :D This community is awesome! ;D


Quote from: Kame Ayyo'koti on June 01, 2014, 09:04:53 AMKeep writing, keep learning, keep going! If you want to know how to learn Na'vi, that's it. :)

Can't say it any better way ;)

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Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

ok so it would be "ftevi"?
I'm very new, my level of Na'vi is memorise some words and string them together into a sentence.
I'm slowly moving into the next phase which is include grammar in the sentences as well so they are proper, unlike my first attempt at the start of this forum.
any tips?
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Tìtstewan

Quote from: LBI on June 01, 2014, 08:49:31 PM
ok so it would be "ftevi"?
I see, probably BE's sentence confused you.
The infix <iv> goes in the first <1> verbs' position.
Example:
Oe zene yivom. I must eat.

"si-verbs" are easy, because all infixes go into the si (don't confuse it with written with ì) part:
Oe zene pamrel sivi. I must write.

Rutxe srung si oer fte oe tsivun kivame.
One <iv> is needed because of fte1, and another <iv> because modal construction2.
1 fte oe tsivun
2 tsun kivame

Verb infix positions:

        t<0><1>ar<2>on (two syllable regular)
        <0><1>om<2>um (two syllable starts with vowel)
        srung s<0><1><2>i (si verb)
        yomt<0><1><2>ìng (compound yom-tìng, head last)
        n<0><1><2>ewomum (compound new-omum, head first)

Btw, here is a very helpful guide regarding prefixes, infixes, and suffixes. :)

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Kame Ayyo’koti

As for finding a tutor, your best bet may be waiting for a project like Project NgayNume to start again. I've never taken part in these, but they seem to be tutor groups. I don't know if they're still going today. Read the stickies at the top.

As for learning grammar, I can recommend mefuk:
Na'vi in a Nutshell
NiaN is not the most up to date, but most of the information is still good, and I think it's a good place to get started with the grammar.

The Reference Grammar is more intimidating and hard to understand, but its information is more accurate. I wouldn't try to read it all the way through ;D, but poking through it for things that look interesting might help.

By the way, have a look at these two threads, if you haven't already. You can find all kinds of stuff here:
Useful learning materials for beginners
FAQ for beginners
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Blue Elf

Quote from: Kame Ayyo'koti on June 01, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
As for finding a tutor, your best bet may be waiting for a project like Project NgayNume to start again. I've never taken part in these, but they seem to be tutor groups. I don't know if they're still going today. Read the stickies at the top.
Oh no - waiting for relaunch of Ngaynume is not good idea. 1/ We do not know if it ever will be restarted and 2/ if it will, it will not be earlier than Avatar 2 will be released.
Simply post your questions / attempts here - always somebody help you.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

Ok. so i get the whole idea of the suffixes and the little bits and pieces inbetween words and that kind of stuff.
But I don't really understand how I'm supposed to know where to put them and their effect......
any way to xplain it in dumb terms?/??

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Plumps

Step by step ;)

There is a nice overview of all the affixes.

If you don't know where to put them in a verb, the dictionary will help you: have a look at a verb, look at the bit that is printed in [brackets] (the IPA, i.e. internationl phonetic alphabet), you see dots in the middle of the line, e.g. zong
[z·oŋ] or muwìntxu [mu.w·ɪn.ˈtʼ·u]. That's where you put your infixes. Everything concerning time (and ‹iv›) in the first position (the most important, I'd say), everything concerning the attitude of the speaker in second.
Don't worry about it, you'll get the hang of it. Start small, continue from there. ;)

Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

does that mean all the affixes, suffixes and other ffixes only go in verbs.
What do all the ffixes go in and where is what I'm trying to learn. but thanks for the tips about the verbs. looking at it now

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Tìtstewan

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Quote from: LBI on June 03, 2014, 06:40:51 AM
does that mean all the affixes, suffixes and other ffixes only go in verbs.
Just to make sure, that there will not come up a confusion,
Affix is the generel name for all kind of prefixes, infixes, suffixes etc.
A prefix is an affix which is placed before the stem of a word. Like un-opened.
A suffix is an affix which is placed after the stem of a word. Like look-ing.
And an infix is an affix inserted inside a word stem. The English language haven't infixes, as far as I know.

As Plumps has mentioned, the infix positions are marked as a middlepoint in the dictionary -> [mu.w·ɪn.ˈtʼ·u] or as numbers 2,3 which means infix positions in the second syllable and in the third syllable of the muwìntxu example. The most Na'vi verbs have 1,2 (first and second syllable) like taron -> ta-ron -> t<infix>a-r<infix>on. Also, infixes are placed in a syllable always before vowels and pseudo-vowels (ll and rr).

And it was also mentioned that all infixes of si-verbs go in the si part -> pamrel s<infix>i, kaltxì s<infix>i etc.

The affix giude has been linked twice,  here is a PDF version of it:
Quote from: Tìtstewan on October 09, 2013, 03:04:17 AM
Because some wanted one, here is a pdf version:
Download
:) ;)

You should read the All Verb Infixes part, there is every important about the infixes for the verbs. :)

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Plumps

Quote from: LBI on June 03, 2014, 06:40:51 AM
does that mean all the affixes, suffixes and other ffixes only go in verbs.
What do all the ffixes go in and where is what I'm trying to learn.

To name them all would just be a copy of the affix chart ;) So, just try to read into the thread step by step and you'll get the hang of it.
Just as a simple rule though, infixes go only in verbs. Depending on the function prefixes and suffixes can go onto other word classes.