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Offline Kì'eyawn

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two words for "too, also"?
« on: March 08, 2010, 04:59:55 pm »
Kaltxì, ma smuktu leNa'vi.  We have two words in Taronyuyä tìktsoneri atxantsan that both mean "too, also."  The first, kop, is listed as a conjunction, while the second, nìteng, is listed as an adverb.

Can someone show me some examples to help me understand the differences in how to use these two words properly?  Irayo, ma smuktu, ulte Eywa ayngahu =)
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Re: two words for "too, also"?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 05:14:26 pm »
I don't know but I can hazard a guess. Would kop not be for joining two sentences as in: Don't stay too far from the path. And then nìteng woul be just for describing something (other than a noun) As in: that is too big. I am only guessing though :) I am probs wrong.
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Re: two words for "too, also"?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 05:32:09 pm »
That's a different sense of "too," ma 'eylan.  For the sense of "too" as "too much, excessively," we have the word nìhawng.  These two words mean "too" in the sense of "also, in addition"--as in, "Neytiri is going hunting, and Jake is going, too."
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Re: two words for "too, also"?
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 05:35:13 pm »
Meh, was just having a guess.
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Re: two words for "too, also"?
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 05:45:00 pm »
I would be inclined to consider them both adverbs.

nìteng is related to the word for "same," so means "similarly."

kop appears to mean more the sense of "also, as well, in addition."

There is a lot of overlap in when these words could be used, it seems to me.

  A: Oel taron yerikit. I'm hunting yerik.
  B: Oel taron kop I hunt (them) too.

This is based on a Frommerian example.  Right now it's hard for me to see why I couldn't also use nìteng here.  It would convey a very similar, though not identical, sense.
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Re: two words for "too, also"?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2010, 08:44:36 pm »
I would be inclined to consider them both adverbs.

nìteng is related to the word for "same," so means "similarly."

kop appears to mean more the sense of "also, as well, in addition."

There is a lot of overlap in when these words could be used, it seems to me.

  A: Oel taron yerikit. I'm hunting yerik.
  B: Oel taron kop I hunt (them) too.

This is based on a Frommerian example.  Right now it's hard for me to see why I couldn't also use nìteng here.  It would convey a very similar, though not identical, sense.

I'm wondering if it's just a difference of nuance.  kop seems to be its own root, not derived from anything, whereas nìteng obviously comes from *teng-, suggesting the word means "same-ly, similarly".  Maybe it's as fnua atxkxe suggested, where kop labeled a conjunction, connects clauses...  Oe ke omum.
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