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Offline Txärem te Parìk Tina'ite

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Test for a Newcomer
« on: October 09, 2011, 10:14:43 am »
Oel ngati kameie ma ayeylan. Oe zìma'uyu lu. I just got finished with listening to the first two podcasts posted by omängum fra'uti and I feel as if they've helped me a lot. I think that it's time to test myself on what I've learned to see if I'm ready to move onwards or if I need to study the two podcasts more.

Oel Seze sì Toruk Maktoyu tse'a. Seze tsawl lu sì Toruk Maktoyu pup lu.

Did I do these sentences correctly? I feel as if I have the word order incorrect. Please, let me know if there's any mistakes which will probably be a lot since I'm new to the language. Any advice is always put into mind so feel free to post your advice here.

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 10:45:00 am »
Zola'u nìprrte' ma Txärem. :D

It's nice to hear you are interested. Yeah we have a lot of helpful teaching resources here, you can find even more.



For your sentences, I think they can be corrected as

Oel ayngati kameie ma ayeylan. Oe zìma'uyu lu.
Oel Sezet(i) sì Torukä Maktoyut(i) tse'a. Seze tsawl lu ulte Torukä Maktoyu hì'i pup lu.


No problem in word order. ;)
You may read this about cases if you are confused by the -ti thing. They are very important in Na'vi..

Go ahead. Practice speed up your learning. You're already better than many others. :)
« Last Edit: October 09, 2011, 10:51:02 am by Ikran Ahiyìk »
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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 10:59:14 am »
Irayo ma Ikran Ahiyìk. Your assistance is much appreciated. With your help, I figured out that the true problem with my sentences can be traced back to the cases. I'll look at the source you gave me and I'll also look around for further information on it. I hope that I'll be better educated next time.

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 11:03:19 am »
At first they are unfamiliar to most of us too, but soon you will figure out their function and use them easily :)

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 01:38:57 pm »
At first they are unfamiliar to most of us too, but soon you will figure out their function and use them easily :)



It's easy to feel intimidated by the wonders of the Na'vi language, but it isn't as complicated once you actually attempt it. This whole -ti idea is a bit confusing to me so I hope that I can be enlightened on it so I can make simple conversations with people. Of course, without the errors or confusion that's shown up in my previous sentences. I'd like to give it another try, though. Now that I've taken a look at the cases.

 Oel yerikit taron ulte Neytiril talioangti taron. Po taronyu lu ulte oe taronyu lu.

« Last Edit: October 09, 2011, 02:35:21 pm by Txärem »

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 05:12:27 am »
You've got them quickly.. ;D



OK this time everything is correct grammatically, but something to be noticed ..

   Po taronyu lu ulte oe taronyu lu.

This time ulte has used in the right place, but it makes the sentence a bit long and repetitive.
You may notice that the parts underlined are completely the same, so it means subjects of the both sentences mean the same.
You may simplify them by using ,

   Po oe taronyu lu.
   She and I are hunters. ...

Note 1: can be used as adpositions - placed before a word, behave as a single word; or after a word, behave as a suffix. sì oe is another possible choice for this case.
Note 2: By a recent blog post Number in Na'vi by Dr. Paul Frommer, number (dual, trial, plural) is to be announced once per clause only. Taronyu instead of mesaronyu is used in this case: taronyu means "what she and I are" only, by po oesì we know there are two persons are being described.

Ah.. don't know if you have read this. If you don't, you definitely have to. It is very comprehensive, relatively simple and helpful document on grammar, and very popular.
Na'vi in a Nutshell.

Good try ;)
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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 02:36:17 pm »
Well, that does look more simplified, doesn't it? I hope you don't mind me asking another question. It should be the last one. How exactly do you know what form of the -ti method to use? For example, there's -it, -t, and -ti so how do you know what to use in your sentence?

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 02:40:19 pm »
Well, that does look more simplified, doesn't it? I hope you don't mind me asking another question. It should be the last one. How exactly do you know what form of the -ti method to use? For example, there's -it, -t, and -ti so how do you know what to use in your sentence?
If a word ends in a vowel - use ti, then in a consonant - it. 'Orati, but palulukanit.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 02:45:17 pm by Kamean »
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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 02:53:56 pm »
If a word ends in a vowel - use ti, then in a consonant - it. 'Orati, but palulukanit.

-ti actually works on both vowels and consonants.
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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2011, 03:48:02 pm »
If a word ends in a vowel - use ti, then in a consonant - it. 'Orati, but palulukanit.

-ti actually works on both vowels and consonants.
Oh, yes. But with vovels you may use both variants - t and ti. Choose the one them, which sounds better.
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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2011, 03:49:41 pm »
What about the others? Listed here, the ones that are -l, -ìl, -r, -ru, -ur, -ä, yä, -ri, and -ìri? It can't be the same... :-\

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2011, 03:53:59 pm »
Yes, it's works the same.
But with we have one exception: Omatikayaä kelku. Omatikaya's home.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 03:59:10 pm by Kamean »
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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2011, 03:59:30 pm »
Well, now I'm really confused. If it all works the same way, how do you know if you should use -ti instead of -l and so on? I don't think I'm quite understanding like I should be. Oe skxawng lu...???

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 09:31:06 pm »
For your sentences, I think they can be corrected as

Oel ayngati kameie ma ayeylan. Oe zìma'uyu lu.
Oel Sezet(i) sì Torukä Maktoyut(i) tse'a. Seze tsawl lu ulte Torukä Maktoyu hì'i pup lu.


Instead of tsawl and hì'i I might use kxayl and tìm.  Also Toruk Makto is a proper noun and I would recommend that.

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 01:21:34 am »
What about the others? Listed here, the ones that are -l, -ìl, -r, -ru, -ur, -ä, yä, -ri, and -ìri? It can't be the same... :-\
They aren't :)
-l, -ìl is used for agentative case, it marks subject of the sentence (for transitive verbs)
-t, -ti, -it is used for patientive case, direct object of transitive verb
-u, -ur, -ry is dative, indirect object of the verb
-ä, -yä is for genitive/possesion
-ri, -ìri is topical
I recommend to read chapter about cases in Na'vi in a nutshell, I believe it helps you a lot
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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 05:46:31 am »
Oh, that's exactly what I needed to know. I did take the time to write out that stuff in my WordPad and saved it so that I can always go back and take a look at it. It seems that I don't have the proper program on my computer that allows me to open up Na'vi in a Nutshell. I wonder if I can open it up on the computer downstairs...

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Re: Test for a Newcomer
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 01:58:51 pm »
Na'vi in a Nutshell is a PDF file - download latest Acrobat reader. I'm using version 9, but I think it worked with version 8 too
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