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Some more ideas
« on: March 31, 2010, 07:19:53 pm »
I took the Voice of America "Special English" word list (about 1500 words) and then checked each word against or list of known Frommerian words as well as words we have already asked for.  About 550 words survived that culling: VOA List.

A good number of these words will be culturally inappropriate (I doubt the Na'vi have or need a word for "tank"), but there are also some good ones in there.

Just a reminder that every word at this point is in C priority, since Frommer already has the A+B combined list.
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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 08:20:41 pm »
I took the Voice of America "Special English" word list (about 1500 words) and then checked each word against or list of known Frommerian words as well as words we have already asked for.  About 550 words survived that culling: VOA List.

A good number of these words will be culturally inappropriate (I doubt the Na'vi have or need a word for "tank"), but there are also some good ones in there.

This is a really good idea, since I can't quite kick the nagging feeling that there are some startlingly common words we've overlooked, even with all the checking and double-checking (and triple-checking) done by the community. I've been reading over our A+B list and comparing it to, well...whatever it is I happen to be reading at the same time (I haven't done very much work for school in the last couple months that isn't being multi-tasked along with something Na'vi-related).

Just a reminder that every word at this point is in C priority, since Frommer already has the A+B combined list.

Do we have any sort of time frame regarding when Karyu Pawl will get back to us with this list? I mean, I don't want to rush him or anything, I'm just curious.

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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 08:23:40 pm »
This is a really good idea, since I can't quite kick the nagging feeling that there are some startlingly common words we've overlooked,

Me, too!  For example, we forgot "warn" (which I added a while ago).

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Do we have any sort of time frame regarding when Karyu Pawl will get back to us with this list? I mean, I don't want to rush him or anything, I'm just curious.

We don't, I'm afraid.  I do know it's being worked on, but he's still crazy busy.
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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2010, 02:08:54 am »
These are still missing and pretty basic/common:

breath (breathe (v.) too)
funny (not in a strange way)
naughty/bad/mischievous  (something less serious than kawng)
opposite
ripe
perfect
if...then (conditional, not time-related)
fabric/leather
speed (n)
taste
command (noun/verb)
shape/form
chest
back/spine

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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2010, 03:36:18 am »
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breath (breathe (v.) too)
I could have sworn that there were both words on the list, but now both are gone. Instead there's a reference to breathing under "areola" now ...  ("Maybe there are different verbs: to breath deliberately and automatically?") This sentence once belonged to "breath"! Quite strange!

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funny (not in a strange way)
is there already

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fabric/leather
leather is there already (see "Hunting"),
fabric isn't, but textile

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taste
is there already

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shape/form
see "geometrical shape"?

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back/spine
is there already

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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2010, 03:44:02 pm »

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shape/form
see "geometrical shape"?

Since this is being surrounded with terms related to the body, I wonder if Prrton was referring to a term to describe the shape or form of the body? Example (an an adjective): 'Neytiti was beautiful and very shapely'.
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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 02:47:45 am »
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breath (breathe (v.) too)
I could have sworn that there were both words on the list, but now both are gone. Instead there's a reference to breathing under "areola" now ...  ("Maybe there are different verbs: to breath deliberately and automatically?") This sentence once belonged to "breath"! Quite strange!

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funny (not in a strange way)
is there already

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fabric/leather
leather is there already (see "Hunting"),
fabric isn't, but textile

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taste
is there already

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shape/form
see "geometrical shape"?

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back/spine
is there already


Maybe I'm using the wrong document? I'm looking in the PDF from "What Karyu Pawl got".

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breath (breathe (v.) too)
I could have sworn that there were both words on the list, but now both are gone. Instead there's a reference to breathing under "areola" now ...  ("Maybe there are different verbs: to breath deliberately and automatically?") This sentence once belonged to "breath"! Quite strange!
I can't find either "areola" or "breath" in the PDF. And, should "areola" be areola or "operculum" related to breathing?

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funny (not in a strange way)
is there already
Can't find it.

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fabric/leather
leather is there already (see "Hunting"),
Pelt p. 51 (still not exactly the same as "leather". Pelts tend to have hair left on them. I guess most ioang don't have nikre (much anyway), so it might be the same.

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fabric isn't, but textile
Textile/Cloth p. 19   :) That should be plenty good enough.

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taste
is there already
Indeed. Page 19. Not sure why I couldn't find it before.

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shape/form
see "geometrical shape"?
Page 5. This is too specific for what I'm looking for. Just a generic word for the shape/form of something is what I feel is needed.

"The shape of that tree is unusually beautiful."

"Carnivorous plants exist in many forms on Pandora."

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back/spine
is there already
"Lay back the ears" is on page 12, but that's not the right context. I'm just talking about the area of the body.

"My back is very sore from sleeping night after night on the ground during the long hunting trip instead of in my hammock in the HomeTree."

"Spine" appears as an explanation of what's being referred to for "bone/skeleton" on page 14, but it doesn't seem to be being formally requested. It's not a "main term" being asked for as far as I can see (in the PDF). It wouldn't be unusual/unexpected for him to provide the words based on the way the question is asked though...

Thanks for so carefully doing the comparison.

Do I have the wrong document somehow? Or did something get lost in the conversion of the documents types (online to PDF)?




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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 05:36:30 am »
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Maybe I'm using the wrong document?

Yes, you are. The PDF you named contains the A- and B-level words, which are already in K. Pawl's hands. But there are also a lot of C-level words already suggested by people and shuffled to the wiki by us editors. If you see WmAnnis list, you get the complete list.

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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 12:27:28 pm »
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Maybe I'm using the wrong document?

Yes, you are. The PDF you named contains the A- and B-level words, which are already in K. Pawl's hands. But there are also a lot of C-level words already suggested by people and shuffled to the wiki by us editors. If you see WmAnnis list, you get the complete list.



OK. So now I understand the disconnect.  :o I WAS (specifically and intentionally) referring to groups A & B (that he already has). I realize that there are words floating around for C and I was just reemphasizing that these get included in that new group.  ;)

I should have used the phrase "not yet requested (as a function of A & B)" instead of "missing."

My main point was to emphasize that the words above seem quite basic/fundamental to me and:

Quote from:  Kayrìlien
This is a really good idea, since I can't quite kick the nagging feeling that there are some startlingly common words we've overlooked,...

I agree with this comment.

It IS very easy to overlook things. It's a monumental task (especially when starting from scratch).

The other good lesson this has revealed to me is that now that I've been reading through the A and B words more carefully, I see that in some cases the actual words being requested are more in the explanations than the bold header terms. "Geometric shapes" is a good example.

Finally, I also have a tendency to over-rely on electronic search. "Fabric" is a good example of this. "Cloth/Textile" is fine. We don't need a word for "fabric" (especially considering it's etymology.  ;) So now, in the future, when I search for "fabric" an don't find it. I need to take the time to search for its semantic siblings as well before assuming that it's been "overlooked."

Thanks again for all your time and clarifications.

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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 02:14:26 pm »
These are still missing and pretty basic/common:

funny (not in a strange way)
naughty/bad/mischievous  (something less serious than kawng)

hiyìk: PF adj. funny, strange

So you were not thinking of Hìyìk...

if...then (conditional, not time-related)

txo: PF conj. if

"If" as a word is only conditional, other uses seem idiomatic.
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Re: Some more ideas
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 03:20:47 pm »
There is a considerable distinction between pelt and leather A pelt is simply the skin of an animal, and the term tells little about its condition. For instance, a 'green' pelt is one that has just been skinned, and has not been tanned (and probably not dried). A dried, dehaired pelt is 'rawhide'. This is what you would use to make a drum head. Leather, OTOH, has been tanned, a process which locks up the protein molecules in the skin so they cannot be acted on by bacteria, etc. This process very much changes the nature of the material. Although it can be a soft material, it can also be a hard material, suitable for armor, etc. So, while leather is ultimately made from a pelt, leather is not really a pelt.

I would also expect most leather made from typical Pandoran animals to be of the hard variety because of their tough skin. Even Na`vi skin appears to be much tougher than ours.

Here's an odd piece of Na`vi related trivia. Most hides, when chrome-tanned, turn blue.

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