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Topic: Concepts of Fire
« on: March 09, 2010, 01:51:01 pm »
A Fire pit features heavily on the Na'vi culture of food preparation in comparison to other methods, if they exist at all.  Fire references are common to many earthly cultures in aspects of how it moves or dances, and the various sounds it makes, smells it releases, the value of smoke.  More than this, flame concepts also are very ancient and have spawned many uses of fire metaphors to relate to other concepts.

txep n. fire - a general term referring to fire

mreki u’lito n. this is for fire pit could this be replaced, or properly spelled by Dr. Frommer?

There maybe more descriptive terms that even apply anthropomorphized references to flame.  Here are some example defining concepts.


*raging inferno
- very hot and veritably out of control fire hot enough to kill anything it engulfs
*hot fire or a heavy flame - usually controlled but somewhat over stoked fire.
*steady flame - evenly stoked and controlled fire that can be used for cooking
*wild burning - a random fire not meant to be used for cooking, or light, and probably hazardous
*smoldering coals or embers - a fire that has no obvious or open flames rising above its fuel sources, usually just glowing wood.
*well stoked flame - good for warmth and light, large but controlled flame.
*poorly stoked flame - a fire that is made in an unskilled manner will have uneven burning, and a propensity for going out.
*floating sparks - little atokirina' could be a related name since floating sparks can have similar qualities.
*fire popping - Could be an onomatopoeia for the popping and cracking sounds of a burning fire
*fire starting - light the fire, or ignite, breathe life into the fire, fuel the fire
*smoke/smoked/smoking/smoker - smoke...

*fire smoke - Kxener n. - There could be various views on smoke from utilitarian to spiritual.


*grey smoke -
*black smoke -
*white smoke -
*good smoke - good for curing meats, good smelling, good spirits, looks good aesthetically
*bad smoke - bad for curing meats, bad smelling, bad spirits, looks ugly aesthetically



*burn/burnt/burned
- the fire has consumed a majority the fuel leaving only what would appear to be carbon behind.
*char/charred - same as above but more referring to flesh

*Burning anything smell - anything that burns, leaves a specific odor in the air that even humans can detect.  If the Na'vi are at least as acute with their olfactory senses as us, they may be able to come up with words, names or terms related to things that burn.

*burnt hair smell - kids would know this word, and could be synonymous for stinky...
*cooked meat smell - this might be appealing especially being hungry after a hunt
*cooked fat smell - this occurs with specific types of meat, fatty animals have a very distinct smell while cooking
*cooked blood smell - this comes from stewing the blood, or having it drop on the flame
*cooked teylu smell - if the Na'vi cook teylu they might have a word for how it smells,  but they may eat them raw and still have a word for this
*burning wood smell (types of wood) - the words may be as simple as calling out the proper noun of the wood type, but I can not say for certain that anything other than burning wood smell would be a word without more wood type names

--Burning home tree wood smell
--Burning Any wood smell

*fire movements - some times air flows and burn patterns can make the flame do mesmerizing things
-- fire swirl - a twisting almost tornado like look
-- fire dance - swaying from side to side back and fourth
-- fire shadows play/jump - the flame may or may not be directly thought of as the cause of how shadows move about around the flame.
-- flame flicker -
-- fire wane

There are uses of fire as a metaphor, but maybe there could be words that mean these things.

*burning pain - txepa tìsraw could maybe be a painful feeling which reminds one of being burned, but maybe this should be its own word, since it is meant to be descriptive and not meaning actually being burned.
*fiery temper - tì-st<eyk>i po-ru win s<äp>i Quick to anger, or become argumentative
*hot blooded - Derived use from warm vs cold blooded creatures, but can be used to mean romantic, or passionate
*burning with vengeance - a word that could mean one is being consumed or corrupted internally by a desire for striking at the heart of their enemy, such as when the Omatikaya form a war party after the Trees of voices were bulldozed.


« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 03:01:02 pm by Txur’Itan »
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 01:56:18 pm »
We have a generic word for smoke - Frommer recycled the useless word (that never made it into the movie) Kxener to be used for "Smoke" rather than "undefined fruit."
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 01:58:39 pm »
mreki u’lito n. fire pit May not be valid, so could this be verified or repaired?

Just random letters put together by the ASG authors, not possible to repair.  We still need this word, I think, C or B priority.

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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 02:02:50 pm »
We have a generic word for smoke - Frommer recycled the useless word (that never made it into the movie) Kxener to be used for "Smoke" rather than "undefined fruit."

Understandably, that would be a general term.  And it was only just posted, which is why it is not in my thread yet.
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 02:26:18 pm »
We have a generic word for smoke - Frommer recycled the useless word (that never made it into the movie) Kxener to be used for "Smoke" rather than "undefined fruit."

Understandably, that would be a general term.  And it was only just posted, which is why it is not in my thread yet.

Correct - we still might need a word for "smoke," as in, the verb (cooking method).

Honestly, though, Frommer didn't specify whether it was a noun or verb, but it could probably be assumed to be a noun (since "kxener" was already a noun).

I was just informing you since you hadn't seen it yet, I didn't mean to seem condescending in my post, sorry if I did.
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 02:54:30 pm »
We have a generic word for smoke - Frommer recycled the useless word (that never made it into the movie) Kxener to be used for "Smoke" rather than "undefined fruit."

Understandably, that would be a general term.  And it was only just posted, which is why it is not in my thread yet.

Correct - we still might need a word for "smoke," as in, the verb (cooking method).

Honestly, though, Frommer didn't specify whether it was a noun or verb, but it could probably be assumed to be a noun (since "kxener" was already a noun).

Yes so maybe kxener si would not be appropriate, and would require a new verb.

I was just informing you since you hadn't seen it yet, I didn't mean to seem condescending in my post, sorry if I did.

No offence taken, I missed it, and corrected my post.  Irayo.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 02:57:22 pm by Txur’Itan »
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 09:47:26 am »
I must confess I have no good idea what to do with this massive list, so for this, and your varieties of quality suggestions, I'm going to punt, and give Frommer the link to the discussion here.  When I sent Frommer an early draft of the PDF I'll send him, he commented on the usefulness of the inline links to forum discussions, so I'm confident he'll see these, too.
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 09:54:53 am »
I must confess I have no good idea what to do with this massive list, so for this, and your varieties of quality suggestions, I'm going to punt, and give Frommer the link to the discussion here.  When I sent Frommer an early draft of the PDF I'll send him, he commented on the usefulness of the inline links to forum discussions, so I'm confident he'll see these, too.
I already took that easy route with these topics some days ago, under The physical world and Cognition. Should they be extracted entirely?

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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2010, 10:02:35 am »
I already took that easy route with these topics some days ago, under The physical world and Cognition. Should they be extracted entirely?

Point me to the entries over forum messaging, please.  I remember one of them, which I think is fine inline where it is now, but you'll have to remind me of others.
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2010, 10:30:24 am »
Neeevverrr mind, Lance dealt with this better than I did.
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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 11:34:59 am »
BTW... Ma Txur'Itan, this is a subject after my own heart. Ireiyo for suggesting these words.  I am so tied up on this pyro SFX gig in Austin that I am not paying proper attention here....   :-[

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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2010, 02:58:53 pm »
BTW... Ma Txur'Itan, this is a subject after my own heart. Ireiyo for suggesting these words.  I am so tied up on this pyro SFX gig in Austin that I am not paying proper attention here....   :-[

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Re: Topic: Concepts of Fire
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2010, 02:20:37 pm »
Oh wow. Um. Thanks (I think)   :o ::)

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