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Started by Toruk Makto, January 15, 2022, 11:20:23 PM

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Toruk Makto

Hey folks,
  It was brought to my attention that a few folks have website plugs in their signatures. Just a reminder that forum rules and guidelines prohibit advertising non-LN URLs on the forums. Please check your sigs for compliance.  Thanks!

https://forum.learnnavi.org/website-info/learnnavi-rules-and-policies-6770/msg145021/#msg145021

-M.

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

Wllìm

Kaltxì ma Markì,

I need some help understanding the scope of this rule change. Any links to external websites in signatures are forbidden now? So for example, I have to remove Reykunyu, my blog, and my weather page, Plumps has to remove dict-na'vi and the annotated dictionary, Tirea has to remove  Mo'ara, and Vawmataw has to remove Fmawn ta 'Rrta?

Does the same hold for topics? Are topics like Plumps' dict-na'vi topic forbidden too? I would be really sad if that's the case.

Can you explain how such a rule change would be beneficial to learners, who will lose valuable opportunities finding relevant resources?

Eichhörnchen

Hello Wllìm


In most forums I know this is forbidden. So not really a new problem. I also have my own website, but I never link to it, there are other possibilities.

About the content: There is nothing against inserting the information here in posts or? And if that is not possible, then send the link by PN to the persons concerned. Something like that gets around quickly anyway. Just as an idea.

Greetings,

Eichhörnchen

kxetse sì mikyun kop plltxe


Wllìm

Quote from: Eichhörnchen on January 16, 2022, 07:15:56 AM
In most forums I know this is forbidden.
Right, but most online communities are not founded on a grassroots spirit, like LN is. LN from the beginning has always explicitly encouraged making your own resources and projects, and that is great -- it's IMO also the entire reason the Na'vi community exists in the first place: because some people decided to get together and found a community! But that, in my view, is not really compatible with a rule that you're not allowed to share these self-made resources. Hence my question.

Tekre

Quote from: Eichhörnchen on January 16, 2022, 07:15:56 AM
In most forums I know this is forbidden. So not really a new problem.

Most forums are not about learning a language for which it can be hard to find enough resources since compared to other things we just don't have so many resources. It should be as easy as possible for learners to find every available resource so they can go through them and decide for themselves which one they find the most useful for themselves. Everyone learns different, so everyone will find something else helpful. So I actually appreciate seeing links to own projects in the signature.


I understand that if it is something completely unrelated Na'vi you could draw a line. But for learning resources this is unreasonable in my opinion because all it does is restricting the ability to spread and find new Na'vi language resources.

Vawmataw

#5
I removed the Kelutral link because it's probably the point of conflict, but I am not really comfortable with removing Fmawn ta 'Rrta, which is a project I started years ago on this forum, is still independent from LN and Kelutral, and provides Na'vi-only content to everyone. Na'vi ressources should IMO be freely advertised as per the mission of this website, no matter the origin (so the rule should be updated to represent the reality of 2022).

I think that the spirit of the rule is to prevent people from advertising projects unrelated to Avatar such as portfolios, games, products and lifestyle blogs.

Fmawn Ta 'Rrta - News IN NA'VI ONLY (Discord)
Traducteur francophone de Kelutral.org, dict-navi et Reykunyu

Plumps

#6
Quote from: Wllìm on January 16, 2022, 06:21:20 AM
I need some help understanding the scope of this rule change. Any links to external websites in signatures are forbidden now?
I am interested in this as well.

I understand external sites that may be understood as advertisment ... so, I removed the link to my author profile on amazon.

But I am very much opposed to removing links to further/specific learning materials or resources pertaining to Na'vi or Avatar specifically.

Quote from: Wllìm on January 16, 2022, 06:21:20 AMDoes the same hold for topics? Are topics like Plumps' dict-na'vi topic forbidden too? I would be really sad if that's the case.

That would hold true for every topic that links to a google document, every resource (including Naviteri.org as well!!!), reference book or file that is not stored on LN which makes keeping information available for people extremely hard, should anything happen to the server. It's always dangerous (and careless) to store everything in one place.

And let's best not talk about links in your profile to facebook, twitter or instagram profiles ...

Quote from: Wllìm on January 16, 2022, 06:21:20 AMCan you explain how such a rule change would be beneficial to learners, who will lose valuable opportunities finding relevant resources?

Seconded.

Quote from: Tekre on January 16, 2022, 07:45:08 AM
I understand that if it is something completely unrelated Na'vi you could draw a line. But for learning resources this is unreasonable in my opinion because all it does is restricting the ability to spread and find new Na'vi language resources.
Agreed!

Quote from: Vawmataw on January 16, 2022, 10:01:41 AM
Na'vi ressources should IMO be freely advertised as per the mission of this website, no matter the origin (so the rule should be updated to represent the reality of 2022).

I think that the spirit of the rule is to prevent people from advertising projects unrelated to Avatar such as portfolios, games, products and lifestyle blogs.

Mllte zam mì zam!

Toruk Makto

Some good points here. The forum rules and guidelines were originally based on the more common social media ToS at that time. Mostly such restrictions were to prevent spam and off-topic links or to prevent competitors from advertising their sites and products. To the thoughts voiced above, it could indeed be time to review all of the rules guidelines for the forums, including the posting of links to other sites and resources. Definitely good for discussion with the community!

-M.

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

Toruk Makto

Kaltxì ma soaia,

After a conference call with the leaders of the other major language sites, there is general agreement that links to Na'vi language resources should be allowed on the social media of the various communities.  To that end, we will update the guidelines for LN to allow this.  I would ask that such links and descriptions be tasteful, with brevity in mind.

Thanks to everyone that voiced their opinion and views.

Makto ko!  -M.

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf